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I think the technical term for that stock is "half-pistol" hand.
Full pistol in Greener's time would usually have had a flat ended knob - maybe you could call it a cross between the half-pistol and pow styles. Nothing like what I would call a full-pistol grip today.
The owner can check out his stock against Greeners data but the figures seem to indicate a fairly standard set-up for dah & dac.

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This is how it might have been looked original:

Greener Original

What a great engraving!

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Hello Vic Venters,

I just finished reading your complimentary chapter on the W.W. Greener "G-Gun". I must say that by the time I finished reading, my chest had expanded by about 6 inches, and my hat size had increased by two.

With Graham Greener's identification of my shotgun as a G2, and with reading your wonderful chapter detailing the G-Gun's History, I just now have come to realize how very fortunate I am to have acquired such a wonderful treasure.

And, the best news is, that with the up-graded Nitro-proved Ferlach barrels, I can shoot this 1891 beauty to my heart's content.

I can hardly wait to see if Ferlach comes through with any additional History as to the former owner.

For those of you with even a mild interest in Greener shotguns, PM Vic Venters and get a copy of his G-Gun chapter.


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Hello All,

I received this morning another response from Graham Greener. After sending him requested measurements of the current stock, and additional photos of same, I received this reply:

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"...That all makes sense now. I think the stock is original and the later alterations to the heel and fitting a pad is most likely..."
-Graham Greener


I must say, I am very impressed with the kind and most professional service I received from Mr. Greener. His timely responses and help in unraveling the history of this fine shotgun, is nothing short of remarkable.



As far as Mr. Graham Greener's comments about my case label being a "forgery", I have ordered a proper "Red" W.W. Greener case label from the Company. Not surprisingly, the correct 1891 case label is still available.

I am still waiting for a response from "Josef Just - Ferlach Austria", but am starting to lose hope that they will reply. I will send another email to them, and mention the "professional customer service" I have received from W.W. Greener, in hope that it may persuade a response from them.

This is their web page.

http://www.jagdwaffen-just.at/englisch/kontakt.htm

I'll update all if I hear from them.

UPDATE ... UPDATE ... UPDATE ... UPDATE

Well, the search for history of my Greener ends here. I just telephoned Ferlach, Austria, and spoke with Josef Just, the very same man whose name appears on the rib of my barrels, and who did the barrel upgrade.

He indicated that the reason I received no response to my emails is, that he has been retired, although his web page still lingers on.

We spoke at length of the dying artisans of the by-gone gunsmith trade in Austria. I too am from Austria, having been born about 2 hours drive, north / northeast of Ferlach. Josef recalled many guns coming to Austria in the 60's not only because of the skilled workmanship to be had there, but also because the work could be done at very reasonable costs. The US dollar and British pound, were very strong in the 20 years following the War.

He went on to say that the only information he could provide about my gun, was the year the barrels were upgraded to Nitro; 1960. Records of specific persons or companies commissioning the upgrade, are no longer available. He said like my gun, there were very many individuals from the US and the UK, that sent vintage guns directly to him to have the barrels upgraded to Nitro, and other custom alterations made.

Of interest was a comment that he made about his trade. He said that the last 20 years in business, his work came almost exclusively from Russia. He said the Russians remained the last and only countrymen that were willing to pay the "highest prices" for "absolute perfection" and for "highest quality" workmanship. All others were mostly interested in modern plastic, like those from his country, like "Glock" and "Steyr Aug".

He also indicated there was no one to carry on his business because too few young people are willing to learn the trade, being "high-tech" minded and not willing to dedicate them selves. He said only about "one" of 20 gunsmiths develops into a "Master" - and he feared soon there will be none left at all in Austria. You could tell by his cracking voice, this troubled him.

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buckstix, about your information request to Josef Just - Ferlach Austria, maybe you should make the request in German (or whatever language is spoken there). Seriously, they may not have answered because there were no English speakers handy to translate. Researching the history of the gun is nearly as gratifying as buying the gun, good luck with your search.
Steve


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Ferlach is in Austria and of course they speak German there, but I think they are well able to understand and speak english as well. Look at their website:

Jagdwaffen Just

it's in german and english... wink

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What a fascinating story about a gun that seems to have been at least halfway around the world. It must be satisfying being able to source so much information about your gun in a relatively short time.
I really like the engraving, it's a lovely looking gun.
Have fun with it.


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Sorry to hear of Josef Just retiring--he and his wife were extremely hospitable to me a few years ago. I read at the museum that one requirement of apprentices was to learn an acceptable amount of the English language to benefit the trade. All the shops I visited were fluent. Lovely gun. Steve

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