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Chiefshotguns,


This one is a 16 gauge too. Does yours have the nitro proof? I was told by someone that was supposed to know that this was a sideplated boxlock, not a true sidelock. Having never seen a sidelock that looked like this one, I took his word for it.


Bill

My gun has a 182xxx serial number and a 1912 build date. It is nitro proofed. The appearance is identical to yours, even the engraving pattern and the name "J P Sauer & Sohn, Suhl" in the half curve behind the hammer. This is indeed a sidelock gun.

Cheif;
Tell me what I am seeing here. Is this a back action lock with the frame engraved to look like a full bar action plate. I have a J P Sauer hammerless ca 1900 which is a back action, but has a plate which is shaped like a bar action. This hammer model though, from the pic looks as if there is a joint at the rear of frame.
My hammerless incidently does not have Nitro proof. I believe the majority of pre 1912 German guns do not. I have read there was a hitch in German proof laws which was corrected in 1912, which caused the nitro proof to be excessive & too many guns failed, so as was optional most makers did not request it.

I am sorta guessing here, but, would this be a J. P. Sauer Model 2? I have one that is identical to picture from 1920s Sauer katalog. Some weeks (at least) ago, I started a thread looking for aditional information about mine. Also give link to Swedish webbsite with picture of one. Got digital pic out of Sauer katalog from a Swedish specialist on Sauers. Think mine is same as one of CheifShootGuns.

Really nice guns, especially in 16 gauge.

Niklas

Not to pirate the thread.......BUT......When are you guys going to learn not to ship, or receive anything with UPS. That's a dirty shame......survived 100 years, just to be desecrated by an uncaring UPS machine. The last rifle box I was handed by the UPS guy, had a forklift tire track across the middle! Fortunately, the shipper had inserted two, sturdy, plastic sleeves in the packing. And the pre-64 Model 70 .220 Swift was unharmed. The driver waited until I unpacked the box to check for damage.
Not too long ago, I returned my third new, smashed, radiator for my 8N Ford.......I told the UPS guy not to worry.....He wouldn't have to take back a fourth......I went and bought one locally, that had been shipped by truck freight.......Cost 50 bucks more, but at least it was undamaged.........
Ship USPS and insure heavily............Grant.

Shipping UPS is Ok if it s done corectly. The packaging must be strong enough to protect the contents from any movement. I use heavy cardboard boxes, lined with strofoam the item itself is wrapped in at leasst four wrappings of i" bubble wrap. There are 2 layers of bubble wrap in the bootom of the package, and 2 layers on top of the item. Ultimately the item is protectected by 10 inches of bubble wrap all the way around.1" of styrofoam all the way around that, then a double thickness cardboard shipping box.
You must insure each package for a minimum 1000.00. At that level, the driver weill inspect the packaging. He will deliver it to a clerk at the terminal. If the clerk feels the packaging is not up to par, the package will be opened and sent back to the sender to be corrected. Less than a grand, they don't care how the item is packaged.
USE NEXT DAY AIR! The item goes on the truck last, and is up on the rack,not thrown in the piles on the floor.
The stock I sent to Susquehannah Stockworks yesterday was shipped just as I described. Insured for 1000.00 shipping cost me 35.75. Expensive for a 3.5 hour trip, but I know it will arrive safely. If the original shipper would have done the same, I wouldn't be spending 400.00 for stock repair.

Bill

I am with Oldmod70 here.No reason to play "shipper roulette" with a company that overcharges,damages and loses packages.USPS registered and insured safer (every person who touchs that packages has to sign for it)cheaper and closer (lots of UPS outlets will not accpet firearms)

GUYS, I did not choose how this gun was shipped to my dealer. The seller paid a dealer to handle the shipment for him. The dealer would not allow him to package the gun. The dealer claims that he was especially careful with this gun. He is responsible, not UPS. This would not have arrived in one piece the way it was packaged no matter what company shhipped it.

Bill

Miller, sorry to be late getting back to your question. Here's a couple quick snaps of my gun with the locks removed. It is a different design than often seen, although I see a lot of these. I think they must have made a lot of them. If you have any of the older Alfa or similar catalogs, look through them and you'll see lots of shotguns using this sidelock design. It is a very slim and light weight quick handling little gun.





Sorry for the poor images, I need to go just now and I didn't even take time to set up a tripod, these are just hand held snaps and not very good, but maybe they'll illustrate the design you asked about.

Is same type backaction sidelock as on my J. P. Sauer Model #2. Is also seen on many Belgium "guild" hammer doubles, as well as Husqvarna Model #52. Did not notice this type backaction sidelock much before, now I see many more. Also, I assumed wrongly that it was front action lock.

Niklas