doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com so what does it take to kill a grouse or pheasant?

Thanks for the post.I am shooting a 12 ga. and have a fairly long list of low pressure ammo out availible.

What I don't know is what payload and velocity are really needed for ruffed grouse and wild pheasant. I have one friend who pheasant hunts and he uses turkey loads with #5's. Personally, I think he is crazy and over-doing it a little, but then I have no real-world experience.

Will the 7/8 oz loads kill grous relaibly? Will the 1oz loads relaibly kill wild pheasants? If not, what are responsible minimums? I REALLY hate crippling birds.

Thanks!