Doug; I'm sure you are right about the 7/8 oz 16 ga load, but I'm a Grouse hunter and I'm getting older and unfortunately don't have the eyes and also don't have the lightning speed and deadly accuracy I once had.....'the old grey mare ain't what she used to be'! So, the more shot the better at least for me. I'm shooting my last few boxes of B&ps 1 1/16 oz shells this week on grouse out of my 16 if that tells you my tale. But I will try your 7/8 oz load on clays and quail and am looking forward to it. Buzz