|
S |
M |
T |
W |
T |
F |
S |
|
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
5
|
6
|
|
7
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
12
|
13
|
|
14
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
19
|
20
|
|
21
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
26
|
27
|
|
28
|
29
|
30
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums10
Topics40,146
Posts571,181
Members14,674
| |
Most Online19,682
Mar 28th, 2026
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,824 Likes: 1208
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,824 Likes: 1208 |
Headed out the door here shortly to chase some elk up near Craig, Colorado. Nothing special, just trying to fill a cow tag. The burning question I have today is not about hunting elk but about production history at Winchester, namely when the earlier, shallow, semi-pistol grip on the Model 12 became the more-pronounced pistol-grip on the later guns. I've seen M12s as late as 1930 that had what I believe to be the original stock with the earlier grip. Guns out of the 1940s seem to have the later version. I'm guessing around the mid-1930s was when that changed, but I can't confirm that.
Last edited by Lloyd3; 11/12/13 03:21 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 5,972 Likes: 169
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 5,972 Likes: 169 |
Up through my 1934 Winchester catalogue they show the small pistol grip. The next Winchester catalogue I have is 1938 which shows the new style grip. Riffle says the grip style changed in 1935.
I had a wonderful Sage Grouse hunt in the area around Craig, Colorado, in 1970.
Last edited by Researcher; 11/12/13 04:39 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,971 Likes: 578
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,971 Likes: 578 |
OT but I was in Steamboat when Craig set the Colorado lowest recorded temperature at -41°F in 1989 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,228 Likes: 3
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,228 Likes: 3 |
Ok, this is ALMOST on the same topic: when did they bring in the flat bottom on M12 forends? I "associate" this style with the late '40s and after, but would like to know a little more precisely.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114 |
Up through my 1934 Winchester catalogue they show the small pistol grip. The next Winchester catalogue I have is 1938 which shows the new style grip. Riffle says the grip style changed in 1935.
I had a wonderful Sage Grouse hunt in the area around Craig, Colorado, in 1970. Dave Riffle is 100% right- from 1912 to 1934- the field model 12's (and 1912's for you "purists")had the "perch belly" style buttstock with the smaller radius pg- which I prefer. I have a field M12 12 gauge 28" full made in 1921, and a field M12 20 gauge 28"mod made in 1931, and they both have these style grips --which I prefer, as I do a POW style grip on by side-by-side double guns.
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,418 Likes: 2
Sidelock
|
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,418 Likes: 2 |
46/47 for the flat bottom forend.....
gunut
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,824 Likes: 1208
Sidelock
|
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,824 Likes: 1208 |
Back from elk hunting with one in the back of the truck. This used to be alot easier. These things are heavy; birds are much easier to lug around. FWIW, I answered my own question after I asked it by reading George Madis's book on the Model 12 a few nights ago. He seems to agree with Riffle by saying 1934 (he is unclear as to when in the year that occurs, so maybe December?). He says 1947 for the flattened forend.
|
|
|
|
|
