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Interesting to have just purchased this gun with another thread discussing the gunmaker. I haven't seen this particular receiver before. Could anyone tell me where it might have been made and why it appears to be so long at the forend? Also the barrels are marked, 'choke bored' and 'royal damascus'. What exactly does that mean given it was made in around the time chokes were being experimented with? And last does 'royal damascus' have any particular meaning? http://s11.postimg.org/zfwwb9mvn/20131113_191933.jpg
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Humpty,
Although similar the design of the receivers are different. Mine is rather blocky with hard edges while your link shows a receiver that flows from front to back much better.
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Tamid, there are a lot of Manton knock-offs out there. The terms "choke bored" and "Royal Damascus" inscribed on the barrels are suspect to me that the gun isn't an actual Manton.
Hopefully, I'm wrong.
Steve
PS I suggest you post some detailed photos of the barrel flats and water table.
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"Royal Damascus" and "Imperial Damascus" were found on many Belgian knock-offs; possibly by Pieper  Note the 'Belgian' is in a different font. It was not until 1891 that the U.S. required the country of origin to be clearly marked on an imported gun http://books.google.com/books?id=L_xDAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1207&dq
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I have one marked Choke Bore and Ejector and it does not have chokes or ejectors. Lots of fluff in many of these Belgium guns.
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I contemplated this gun but I concluded it was a Belgian knock off. Nothing wrong with that, just depends on what you are after. And you certainly didn't over pay.
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I'm pretty much certain now that a combination of "J" and "&Co" with "Manton" is a giveaway of a... erm... creative marketing. Joseph Manton's gun could be a breechloader only if someone converted it. John Manton's shop had "& Son" (and Dover Street address. Manton & Co Calcutta went without "J" (and had Clacutta or London and Calcutta too).
However, these guns are a piece of history and interesting in their own right. Can you take a pic of the proof marks?
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When I have it in hand in a week the first thing I will be doing is looking at the proofs. I will post a pic then.
Gunsaholic, yes the price was right and certainly could be resold to someone looking for a wall hanger.
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