Last time I Iooked, 'base' price on a CSMC Grand American was $24,500USD.
A Winchester M21 Grand American will be upwards of $40,000USD but you do get two sets of barrels. Collectors fuel that market but CSMC actual cost and what CSMC sells for to stay in business also contributes to the market.

As to this statement " Eightbore, and I am a player in the game, just like you. If you want to buy a POS from CSMC be my guest. When it comes to Winchester Model 21's I will stick with the real McCoy and NOT one of their reproductions and esp an O/U so called Model 21, thank you."

What's a "player"?

As to "POS", how many Winchester M21's and how many CSMC M21's have you examined?
I first met Tony in the early 90's andclosely examined his M21's at the time and since then have loooked at every one I could get my hands on. I also have examined many many Winchester M21's in the last 20 years.
None of the CSMC M21's could be termed a "POS" and most of the Winchester M21's were not a "POS".
Don't bring in engravers to the discussion. This is today and the best engravers of the 20th century are gone, if you want an Urich or a Gough, then be prepared to pay a premium price. Tony uses some of the best engravers in the world on his Foxes, M21's, Galazan's and Parker's.
I have an RBL 20, An A-10 American 20/28 Rose & Scroll set, A CSMC Fox DE Grade 16, and a CSMC M21 'baby frame' 28 gauge Grand American.
My personal opinion is, that none of them are a "POS".
How many CSMC branded shotguns have you examined to lable them "POS"?
In any event, it's marketing regarding the CSMC M21 o/u and the base gun looks attractive. The debate of whether a CSMC M21 is a M21 or a CSMC Fox is a Fox continues but only in the minds of a few who inhabit these Forums. The people who have the monetary resources to purchase these guns and want an outstanding product have made thier minds up.
My last four doubles have come from CSMC and I don't look anyplace else for a new bespoke shotgun. CSMC are people I can actually talk to and meet to discuss the particulars. None of thier shotguns are a "POS".-Dick

Last edited by Dick_dup1; 11/23/13 01:05 PM.