We are all entitled to our opinions. I have a very NASTY taste in my mouth after a gun 'deal' with your buddies. If you choose to trust them and do business with them, well then that's your prerogative. Likewise, it's my prerogative to NEVER again spend one red cent with them. I will spend my money elsewhere and you can do with yours ( and 8bore too) whatever you want. In fact buy 9 or 10 of those O/U Model 21 Rizzini's Grand Americans and we will see what they are worth 10 yrs from now. I'm guessing you will be VERY disappointed.