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Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
Originally Posted By: PALUNC
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I do agree that one of the next guns I may purchase will be a 20 bore since you can shoot clays and game and it will do whatever a 12 bore can do.


And a .410 will do it all too if you're a good enough shot. But who GAF? And I know too that there are a number of NSSA shooters that use a 20 in the 12 event. BFD when the .410'ers consistently run 100 straights. When the 28gm load was mandated for international competition Perazzi went so far as to build a 20ga gun just for it. Never sold. Why?

Simple as Tab A / Slot B

Because the 12 is better when it counts

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But who GAF?? Wonko, what does the Corporate entity General Analine & Film have to do with this most interesting debate over the 12 gauge??


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12 gauge is THE shotgun gauge.
It stands right in the 'golden section', balancing the human capacity of manipulating objects and withstanding recoil with the necessary weight and velocity of projectiles necessary for killing flying objects.
I can believe that a niche market may at some point be overfed with supply of 12 bores so that there is a perceived overabundance of 12 and unsufficient demand for smaller bores, creating the 'no market for 12 gauge'.
I can't believe that this is a continious trend that will not reverse as the demand for smaller bores is satisfied.

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The belief that a .410 is equal to a 12 "IF" you're a good enough shot is pure fallacy, fostered by a few who would promote themselves as being "Superior" to others. Note I am not saying this fits all users of the pipsqueak, any more than does the idea that everyone who carries a 12 is a Sloppy Meat Hunter, only interested in how much game he can stack up. Men/Women carry the gun they like, many other facts determines what type of "Sport" they are.
I have had a quite close association with two men that I would call strictly "Meat Hunters". I had more respect for both of them than I do for many "So Called" Sportsmen. Killing for food is after all actually more noble than Killing for Fun.
Personally I Killed mostly for Fun, but I never extensively killed anything I would not eat.


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Very well said, Miller. Thanks.

Humpty Dumpty, the most successful traders always buy good companies when no one else wants them, knowing everything moves in repetitive cycles. You are right in that the market for small bores will be satisfied and the pendulum will swing back to the 12. Only unknown is the timing.


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I hear you, Miller. I grew up in a fishing village of subsistence living. Every home had a 12-gauge double for fresh meat. Every man shot out of season when circumstances warranted. They retrieved every bird they knocked down to the point of spoiling good shooting, chasing cripples with oars in wooden boats on salt water or stripping off to swim for dead in lakes. I was with them. I haven't seen better hunters since.

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King, your post reminds me of my early days hunting ducks with my brothers and Dad. While we weren't subsistence hunters by any means, my dad taught my brothers and I that all birds must be found. No excuses. Regardless of future shooting opportunities that may be missed, every possible effort must be made to recover the downed bird. It was a very good lesson.

Actually, he taught me two things about hunting that have stayed with me. Get every bird and every gun is loaded and the safety is off....act accordingly.


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and don't point a gun at anything, unless you want to kill it.


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Originally Posted By: ed good
and don't point a gun at anything, unless you want to kill it.

Nothing personal here ED, but a comment or so. I have heard this statement for as far back as can remember. My thought always was, well anytime I have a gun in my hands I am pointing it at something, whether I want to kill it or not. I have always though a much better thought is Never point, nor let the gun point, at anything you would Not Want to shoot.


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Originally Posted By: ed good
and don't point a gun at anything, unless you want to kill it.


I always felt "act accordingly" kinda covered it.


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2: ah don't see the point(a pun here) of your post. we are both talkin bout the same thing. safe handling of firearms.

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