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I have been looking as an Ithaca 4-E, Flues trap. Single barrel. What are your opinions of this particular gun?
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Nice for a collection but if you want a serious shooter, get a Knick model.
Last edited by Walter C. Snyder; 04/10/07 11:26 AM.
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Walter, Thank you for your reply, I am not familiar with the Knick model.
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I agree with my friend Walt. The Knickerbocker Model is an Ithaca, American made, single trap gun with a serial number over 400,000. Very strong, very easy to fix. By the way, Walt, I bought the 4E barrel on ebay if anyone needs it. It is very early, 400,058, and won't fit my guns. It is rusty and the rib needs to be resoldered.
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Hello Bill, Look forward to seeing you and the fair Miss Linda in a few weeks. Still enjoying old 1845(your 37 prewar Skeet) The early 37T we were both interested is still at the doctors. It will survive, I think.
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OK, lemme see if I understand this. There may be Ithca trap guns out there that are being referred to as Flusies but may actually be Knickerbockers? So, I look for SN's that are over 400,000 and that will be a Knick? I really like the looks of those guns and will be using it for ocassional rounds of trap, maybe a couple thousand shells per year.
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There were seveal variations of the "Flues" period single barrel trap guns, starting around 1915 or so. They are probably more "artistic" than the later Knick [for Knickerbocker] models produced much later. The Knick models seem to be mechanically superior----------oh, sort of like the NID models seem mechanically better than the Flues, Crass, Minier [sp?], etc. But if your are not going to shoot lots of shells, the earlier guns are quite nice and better engraved.
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I recently purchased a Knick 4E that I have had to the range a couple of times. It is a pleasure to shoot and it has a great balance and weight. It also makes some heads turn which is always fun as well
Dogs On Point!!! - doublenut
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Steve: As Daryl said, the Flues model was made from about 1915 to 1921, and will have a serial number below 398,000. The 'Knick' was an entirely different, and much stronger, design with a serial number above 400,000. The Flues tended to crack around the forend button (I had a Victory grade with that) and the cocking lever would break (and had a 4E with that).
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Steve-
My suggestion would be to buy Walt's book. He has a very detailed section covering the SBTs with excellent pictures and discriptions of their morphing from the early Flues to the Knick model...
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