Mike, I understand your problem. You might have only a problem with word meaning. Your term, "rise" , actually means birds flying before you shoot. I think you might be thinking the term is "after you shoot". Lots of gravel can be kicked up with shots on the ground , giving a pretty good chance of hitting extra birds with shrapnel. I know your dogs are super and hold birds still for the hunter, but just wait a bit until the birds flush, and you will never have a multiple bird drop problem

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