Larry,

Thanks for the clarification as to no standard for velocity measurement methods under CIP except for steel loads. I did see a reference on the Eley websight as to steel loads meeting CIP standard but I was not clear as to the meaning of the statement.

From this discussion my take is that an accurate comparison of manufacturer published velocities for loads produced under CIP & SAAMI standards is only possible if the CIP manufacturer clearly states the distance @ which velocity is measured.

With the Rottweil/RWS data listing identical velocity for identical loads @ both 2.5 meter velocity & "mouth velocity" (a translation glitch from muzzle velocity I think))in different publications I'm thinking a rather casual approach is taken with published velocity data by some CIP manufacturers.

Added as an afterthought: I did a search of CIP published info & could not come up with anything relating to velocity test standards so I'm assuming that "no velocity test standard is correct" but that seems strange to me given the stringent specifications on pressure & pressure test methods.

What is the source of your information that changed your previously posted information from conversation with the British Assn. or Shooting & Conservation that indicated 2.5 meters as the CIP standard to "no velocity test standard for CIP" .

Does the statement from the British Assn. for Shooting & Conservation mean that only the UK is establishing 2.5 meters as their own velocity standard for shotshells produced under CIP & is this voluntary or mandatory?

I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just trying to get good information on this subject.

Last edited by Brittany Man; 02/21/14 01:48 PM. Reason: clarification