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I have read in a lot of places about people reattaching loose ribs with the loctite 380 that Brownells sells. I haven't read a thread yet where someone said the repair had come loose. I know that soldering is the old school, probably preferred method. Has anyone used the loctite for an entire rib? Did the barrels ring after the repair, or did the loctite deaden them like the silicone had in the previous repair.
Yah I saw where you bought a gun on gunbroker site. Just one question why do you want to re attach the ribs with a synthetic stuff? soft solder isn't old school as you wrote, its the only way to do it right. are we going to have to watch for guns you sell as is without return on the different sites youre' on?
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I have read in a lot of places about people reattaching loose ribs with the loctite 380 that Brownells sells. I haven't read a thread yet where someone said the repair had come loose. I know that soldering is the old school, probably preferred method. Has anyone used the loctite for an entire rib? Did the barrels ring after the repair, or did the loctite deaden them like the silicone had in the previous repair. In theory, if it works for a small repair then shouldn't a larger one be the same?
I'm not an expert, just know that gunsmiths all over the country are using the stuff.
Yah I saw where you bought a gun on gunbroker site. Just one question why do you want to re attach the ribs with a synthetic stuff? soft solder isn't old school as you wrote, its the only way to do it right. are we going to have to watch for guns you sell as is without return on the different sites youre' on? Proxibid, not Gunbroker. Methods of repair have evolved for all sorts of things over the years. Take for instance the way barrels were joined. The old method requires rust bluing because the hot methods will harm the solder. Hot bluing is fine for a modern gun because of an "advancement", if you will allow that, in the way doubles were manufactured. Just wondering if there is an acceptable alternative. I'm not looking for some ghetto repair option, but if the Loctite works and is as strong(there are several epoxies which are stronger than solder) then it would prevent the barrels from being refinished. Easy cleanup around the edges before it dries. Plenty of gunsmiths use the stuff for small repairs, but I'm asking about a larger repair.
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Proxibid, not Gunbroker. Methods of repair have evolved for all sorts of things over the years. Take for instance the way barrels were joined. The old method requires rust bluing because the hot methods will harm the solder. Hot bluing is fine for a modern gun because of an "advancement", if you will allow that, in the way doubles were manufactured. Just wondering if there is an acceptable alternative. I'm not looking for some ghetto repair option, but if the Loctite works and is as strong(there are several epoxies which are stronger than solder) then it would prevent the barrels from being refinished. Easy cleanup around the edges before it dries. Plenty of gunsmiths use the stuff for small repairs, but I'm asking about a larger repair.
ok but I thought you were in the mix on a gunbroker auction of late? whatever. let me ask, some day when you advertise this gun for sale on lets say the parker site and the ad reads something like 'parker vh for sale with ribs attached by epoxy, etc etc " how do you think that will be received? Just sayin, if your going to fix the ribs you should do it right.
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Proxibid, not Gunbroker. Methods of repair have evolved for all sorts of things over the years. Take for instance the way barrels were joined. The old method requires rust bluing because the hot methods will harm the solder. Hot bluing is fine for a modern gun because of an "advancement", if you will allow that, in the way doubles were manufactured. Just wondering if there is an acceptable alternative. I'm not looking for some ghetto repair option, but if the Loctite works and is as strong(there are several epoxies which are stronger than solder) then it would prevent the barrels from being refinished. Easy cleanup around the edges before it dries. Plenty of gunsmiths use the stuff for small repairs, but I'm asking about a larger repair.
ok but I thought you were in the mix on a gunbroker auction of late? whatever, let me ask when you advertise this gun for sale on lets say the parker site and the ad reads something like 'parker vh for sale with ribs attached by epoxy, etc etc " how do you think that will be recieved? Just sayin if your going to fix the ribs you should do it right. I get your point. The question was to anyone who has actual knowledge on this issue, rather than just an opinion.
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Wasn't there an outfit a few years ago building double rifles and using space age adhesives to attached the ribs and barrels in a monobloc. I want to say in OR, Roque River or something like that.
Future add " Parker updated to the new millennium, barrels no long put together with poisonous lead based solder but cutting edge space age super adhesives."
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For many years, Polychoke vent ribs were glued on shotgun barrels. I don't know the exact adhesive that was used, but I believe it was an epoxy. That's actual knowledge.
My opinion is that vintage doubles should be repaired with the same materials and methods that were used to build them. If everyone felt the same, you would not be looking for ways to dissolve black silicone. You'll never regret doing it right.
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I don't like the idea. Even the Yildiz Elegant 4 is silver brazed, and it sells for $489, in standard dress, every day. Copied from the Yildiz website: "Barrels are made of 4140 drilled steel which has been exposed to crack tests. Barrels are joined and ribs are mounted by silver welding process in a high temperature tunnel oven." http://www.yildizshotgun.com/en/elg_12.html SRH
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Then send it to Mike Bonehill in Indiana to have the rib relayed....quality work and usually about $100.00 bucks or so....317-373-0599.....
Good Luck with it.........
Does Mr. Bonehill have a web page? I'm looking for a good gunsmith that works on doubles within an easy drive of SW Ohio.
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Can the poster tell us the make and grade and gauge of this double? Use epoxy and return gun to dawg's breakfast condition,and then what? CB
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If this were a vintage gun the question wouldn't have been asked. This is a late 60's marlin lc smith with zero collector value. Wood is in great shape, but a lot case wear and barrels have finish issues. I'm not going to spend $700-900 to have ribs laid and barrels blued. Gun might be worth $500 when repaired. Maybe.
What is "breakfast condition"?
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