Thanks Lowell...but supposing these guys are experts... I have to give them some time to prove it incase I'm the one that has to eat crow...if you could drop me an email labeled Braekers to robertchambers@adelphia.net I'll send you the photos immediately...or to anyone else who can't wait for these cowboys to show their cards...If you don't agree that this shotgun is a whole new breed of cat, possibly never before seen at this website, then you can post the images and pass the crow for me to eat...I've read alot of your posts over the years and I've noticed that you are always kind, even to young new members with the same repeated question...you have long earned my respect, I just never had the opportunity to say so...These guys need to oppologize to OWD for "jamming" his post to the point where he is probably sorry he asked...I know no other way of dealing with members who have effectively figured out a way to circumvent the rules of netiquette by littering the post with so much happy horse $#it that it shortcircuits the whole posting...they could have private messaged me or OWD with their rediculous concerns, but instead they needed to have a pillow fight on OWD's brilliant posting...