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....this was Holland's very top of the range at the time and the engraver would have been Top Boy.... Theme, design and personal aesthetic preference aside, does this example appear to be technically executed to a high level. Some of the characters and primary scroll designs seem well done. It appears to me that much of the fill in scroll, a good bit of the border, and most of the shading is pretty rough and crude appearing. It seems to have the look like there was a theme and a coverage percentage, but then maybe not the most adequate budget to execute like top of the line might be. I haven't seen many examples myself, so maybe this is well done, top of the line. It just seems like H&H has put much cleaner looking engraving on many of their guns.
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Can't say I'm struck by it very much.Don't really care for this style.Don't like the fences ,or the weird boobs on the bottom, yuck. And, well it just doesn't seem like such great work, compared to other guns in this class & age, but perhaps that's cause I just don't really like the style.I'm sure it would be interesting to view hands on. I really find the Belgian style with ribbands scroll n vines thru it very appealing, with the carved intertwined reed/rushy fences. I always thought Francotte did a nice job on their fences. I do like a gun with the Celtic knot work style,too, if well done. Of course it's a very fine Gun, but if I had the price of a 1912 H&H, this wouldn't get me running to the phone Thanks for putting up another cool gun though, Dig cheers franc
Last edited by Franc Otte; 05/16/14 10:56 AM.
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I remember some years ago coming across a pair in 16 bore with mythical beast engraving but I seem to recall the engraving being slightly more in relief. Not quite what I would order. Lagopus.....
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Agree with you on the execution, Chas, but, I would prefer the gun with 0% coverage engraving and blued to what has been done. One tour through Graceland is enough to convince you that you can't buy good taste. This gun should be hanging on a wall at Graceland.
Best, Ted Not sure if this is a celebratory event or not, but I have to agree with Ted. I recall a Fabbri SxS with similar myth crap by Galeazzi that started at $80K+ and was still begging for love at sub-$30K. Can you imagine what people would say behind your back if you actually too that H&H out in public? have a day Dr.WtS
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That also brought to mind the diligently suppressed memory of this horror. IIRC this theme was also splattered on a multi-gun set of Fabbri O/U's that I saw years ago at Vegas. One just has to wonder what possessed ............? http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/the-...de-shotgun.aspxhave a day Dr.WtS
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When this was made (1912) the cost of a 'Royal' was 75 guineas. The Modele De Luxe was 100 guineas. An example of this model was exhibited at the 1900 Paris exhibition as an example of the best of the gunmaker's art.
The 1910 catalogue describes the de Luxe thus:
These weapons , whilst containing all the points of our very best guns have specially selected stocks and in addition are finished in an exceedingly artistic manner combining a best gun with a work of art. Selected workmen of great skill are employed on these guns and extra time is spent on hem in every department in order to secure the desired effects. Our Modele de Luxe guns and rifles represent the highest standard of modern unmaking yet reached in this orang other country. Specially suitable as presentation guns.
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Birds, dogs, naked ladies, gargoyles, Indians, trains, oak leaves, oil wells, Biblical scenes........no thank you. Tight scroll, the kind that made the old guys go blind....OK.
Dodging lions and wasting time.....
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....this was Holland's very top of the range at the time and the engraver would have been Top Boy.... Theme, design and personal aesthetic preference aside, does this example appear to be technically executed to a high level. Some of the characters and primary scroll designs seem well done. It appears to me that much of the fill in scroll, a good bit of the border, and most of the shading is pretty rough and crude appearing. It seems to have the look like there was a theme and a coverage percentage, but then maybe not the most adequate budget to execute like top of the line might be. I haven't seen many examples myself, so maybe this is well done, top of the line. It just seems like H&H has put much cleaner looking engraving on many of their guns. Although I somewhat like the motif, I tend to agree with Craig's opinion. BTW, why would the "model" be written in French "Modéle de Luxe"? JC
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I did not know that there were hermaphrodite gargoyles... from old San Francisco architecture I assume? Thumbs down.
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Sometimes there is no accounting for taste. Some of the figures look like cartoon characters. Are you sure this gun is an H & H or engraved by them?
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