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Appears to be a non-rebounder, ie half-cock,full-cock.Looks like the hammers are down on the firing pins? Nice gun.
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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I am puzzled by the apparent lack of proof marks (bore size, chamber length, service load etc) on the barrel flats - or is this just a trick from the light used in the photography?
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I agree with OWD that this is not a Jones Underlever. The operating lever is like that of the Jones but this appears to be a single bite locking lug while the Jones patent screw grip was for double opposing bite locking lugs. You can see the two bites in this photo of my Lang:  Your gun should be fall between 1870 and 1875 - my Lang s/n 32XX letters to March 6, 1866. Don Masters book "Atkin, Grant & Lang" lists serial number groups as follows: 1865 - #2882 1870 - #3851 1875 - #5125 Don Masters lists 1875 as the year when the name was changed from Joseph Lang to Joseph Lang & Sons. I don't know the current cost but you can get a letter from AG&L by writing or emailing Francis Lovel the current owner. Atkin, Grant & Lang Windmill Road, Markyate, St Albans, Hertfordshire AL3 8BP, England francis@atkingrantandlang.com www.atkingrantandlang.comTel +44 (0)1993 864 949 Fax +44 (0)7812 375 781
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I am puzzled by the apparent lack of proof marks (bore size, chamber length, service load etc) on the barrel flats - or is this just a trick from the light used in the photography? The proof marks are on the barrel tubes. I see the gauge, provisional, view mark and definitive proof marks on each tube.
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The proof marks are on the barrel tubes. I see the gauge, provisional, view mark and definitive proof marks on each tube.
I would also expect service load and chamber length. Perhaps they were not always included, but I thought they were a requirement?
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OK. I was wrong. That's a Jones. The first pics and the patent stamp confused me.
Thanks for the additional pics.
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Incredibly interesting material here. I own a wonderful W.H. Wilson marked double flint shotgun from the late flint period of very high quality. Any references to the company are appreciated. Joe, this is what IGC has on WH Wilson: Name William Henry Wilson Other Names Wilson's Gun & Pistol Warehouse; W H Wilson & Elizabeth Wilson Address1 1 Vigo Lane, Sackville Street (2 Vigo Lane, Sackville Street) City/Town London Country United Kingdom Trade Goldsmith, Silver Plater & Dealer in Guns Other Address Dates 1805-1829 Notes William Henry Wilson (son of William Wilson of 154 Minories, grandson of Richard Wilson of The Fowler, Minories, and brother of Alexander Wilson?) appears to have established Wilson's Gun and Pistol Warehouse at 1 Vigo Lane, Sackville Street in 1805. The property seems to have been divided in two shops because from 1808 he also traded at this address as W H Wilson, goldsmith, silver plater and dealer in guns; it appears he inlaid guns with gold and silver plated furniture both for himself and others. In 1821 the gun and pistol business at 1 Vigo Lane was renamed W H Wilson & Elizabeth Wilson, gun makers (sister/wife?) and they traded as such until 1825 when Joseph Lang bought the stock and Alexander Wilson, who had been trading from Sherrard Street, took over the premises. Joseph Lang may well have been apprenticed to W H Wilson, Alexander Wilson, or his father. The gold and silver plate side of the business was moved to 2 Vigo Lane and Elizabeth Wilson seems to have dropped out of the picture. W H Wilson closed in 1829 as did Alexander Wilson. (The shop at 1 Vigo Lane and part of 2 Vigo Lane was occupied by James Collins from 1925 to 1832 when he moved to Regent Street). Tim
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OK. I was wrong. That's a Jones. The first pics and the patent stamp confused me.
Thanks for the additional pics.
OWD Yes, it is a Jones - the first picture was deceiving in it's lack of full detail.
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The proof marks are on the barrel tubes. I see the gauge, provisional, view mark and definitive proof marks on each tube.
I would also expect service load and chamber length. Perhaps they were not always included, but I thought they were a requirement? According to Dig's book "Vintage Guns for the Modern Shot" the chamber marking came in 1887 and the service load in 1896. This gun predates both. It has the same markings as the original for my 1866 gun which was reproofed in 1990 and and also carries the new marks. The marks on my gun are on the action flats.
Last edited by FlyChamps; 05/29/14 10:11 PM.
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