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Perrhaps not JT but IT:
IT surmonté d'une couronne pour Isidor Tardieu contrôleur de 1939 à 1956 .
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Igorrock, I can't make out all the proofmarks in your photo, but everything I can make out looks Belgian to me. Could be I'm missing something, but I don't see any St. Etienne proofs. A small misunderstood; the foto which I send isn´t taken from "my" gun. I have found this foto from internet for reason that it has same signum JT which "my" gun has. As I said before "my" gun has many times text "Paris-Roubaix" and St.Etienne stamps. Could be possible but in my eyes it looks like JT without any star. I think foto below (not my gun) tells which IT signum with star looks like: By the way; thanks for yours link Gunwolf. But as I said before; it seems that "my" shotgun has been made in Belgien and sold in France. Maker is unknown but seller was G.Callens, Paris.
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Raimey, its Nelson Nickel Steel.
I learn something every day, and a lot of times it's that what I learned the day before was wrong
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Hum, I wonder it that is T. H. Nelson who had intimate knowledge of Chromium-Nickel Stainless Alloys? Possibly a new steel type for now.
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How does one determine value on these French guns? I have a Pidault 12g a SxS Sidelock or box lock with false plates that will be here in a few days. Research hasn't shown anything. I'll know more about it when it gets here.
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I'd be comfortable with the fact that Callens sourced both, but we have yet to see any image of the subject sporting weapon coupled with some verbiage. Said verbiage described a mixed set of worn marks along with Cap/Falla's Eagle head & JT. Without images, all this points to Belgian sourcing. Can't say on any of the other Callens.
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Raimey rse The link provided by gunwolf seems to clear things up. Especially the one long post from neltir. From 1963-90, only French-made barrels used. Prior to that, frequently Belgian tubes. But of course it's not unusual to find that on French guns . . . or, for that matter, entire guns made and proofed in Belgium, but with the addresses of French dealers/"makers". Interesting.
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How does one determine value on these French guns? I have a Pidault 12g a SxS Sidelock or box lock with false plates that will be here in a few days. Research hasn't shown anything. I'll know more about it when it gets here. The value is going to be a summation of the individual component for the most part. For Pidualt, chase C.H. Houllier -Blanchard à Paris, which was F.R.(?) Houllier-Blanchard & C.H.,Robert(Charles Robert) à Paris and later Houllier-Blanchard-Pidulat(arquebusier Houllier Blanchard Pidulat or Maison Houllier-Blanchard, Arquebusier à Paris, Ch. Pidault Successeur ) . For now I'm not sure of the time-line & who married whom. "Charles Hypolite Houllier (1811-1871) was born into a family of Liège gunmakers. He moved to Paris, and in 1837 married Lucrèce Blanchard, daughter of a Parisian gunmaker. After the marriage the firm took the name Houllier-Blanchard and traded at 36 rue de Cléry. The firm was awarded medals at the Great Exhibition of 1851 and the International Exhibition of 1862, both in London, and the Paris Exposition Universelle of 1867" Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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