Vernal,

Did you bother to read my followup post? I made a couple of points. First, I demonstrated that I did read the article. Second, I pointed out that cyl/skeet are not useless. As a matter of fact, the vast majority of upland birds I will ever shoot were taken with a .000 12 ga.

The thread has taken some different turns, some toward target shooting. The two McIntosh illustrations on those pages involved target shooting.

A cylinder 20 ga pattern does not have a sufficient core at even 35 yds for the type of targets McIntosh was describing.

Your last paragraph reveals you do, indeed, understand target presentations. That means you understand the targets he was describing are not suitable for your cyl/cyl grouse gun.

Thanks,

Sam