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Son Of Hamas Founder: My Father's Movement 'Doesn�t Care About The Lives Of Palestinians'

Townhall, by Matt Vespa

Meet Mosab Hassan Yousef. (I already have. Thanks for the invite Eric.) He�s the son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, one of the founders of Hamas. He�s now an evangelical Christian, living in the U.S. after being granted political asylum, and a former operative with Shin Bet, a branch of Israeli intelligence, which led to his father disowning him back in 2010:

�Hamas doesn�t care about the lives of Palestinians. Does not care about the lives of Israelis or Americans. They don�t care about their own lives. They consider dying for the sake of their ideology a way of worship. And how can you continue in that society?�



Hamas is not seeking co-existence and compromise. Hamas is seeking conquest and taking over. And, by the way, Israel � the destruction of the state of Israel is not Hamas� final destination. Hamas� final destination is building the Islamic Caliphate, which means an Islamic state on the rubble of every other civilization. These are the ultimate goals of the movement.


More cover up of Hamas crimes revealed:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/media-cover-up-of-hamas-crimes-starting-to-unravel/

Any fool can grasp Israel's need to defend itself.Why does that rule out the need to be critical of how they go about doing so? Why must the regulars here continue to denigrate anyone who sees two sides to an issue? The continuous refusal to grant any legitimacy to another's views is precisely the mindset that makes peace in the Middle East, or anywhere else, impossible. Fundamentalist hardliners are the source of conflict wherever they may be.

Two sides to what issue:
Let me see if I have this right:
Israel means us no harm. The Muslims want to wipe us "infidels" off the face of the earth and have repeatedly stated this is their intention. If fact at this moment thay have told the remaining Christians in Iraq to either convert to Islam or die.
The Muslims crashed planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and killed thousands of innocents.
What exactly do you think these nutjobs would try to do if they came into possession of nuclear weapons?
Bottom line: If you are a non Muslim there are NO two sides.
jim

There is no defense for Hamas. There is no defense for Al Qaeda, but if we are willing to adopt their values and refuse to make or accept any distinction between them and, say, Palestinians in general, then we lose any moral difference between them and us.

I'd look at what you wrote Bill. There's no rule that says we have to choose sides, but why is it important for you to condemn other American rather than just say 'if we are willing to adopt their values', why not look at the merits of Israeli values.

Don't you think if it makes you feel better to equivocate, why not compare Americans to anyone one with a bit higher standards. Or, are you saying that you have the same values as hamas. You have read their charter, haven't you?

Craigd, I can't follow what you're saying here. I have no problem with Israeli values.

This is what I was thinking about Bill. You may not have a problem with Israeli values, but in the Israeli/hamas conflict, you seem to be calling those who lean towards the Israeli side, 'fundamentalist hardliners'.

No big deal, criticize Israel, but after you get that out of your system, hamas is still the aggressor with stated goals. What exactly was achieved for peace and stability.

Why not ask, why is the US giving hamas money, directly and through the un. No, not all palistinians are bad, but you haven't shown us the good ones in action so we can contrast them to hamas.

The fundamentalist hardliners I had in mind are the Palestinians and Israelis would would gladly kill one another on sight and who refuse all offers of reconciliation, also those who call me a libtard and a neo nazi. What I condemn is the attitude that we see here so often from those who think they are 100% right 100% of the time and that anyone who differs with them on any point is a "traitor and a coward" or some sociopathic statist, whatever the hell that might be.

Two Sides to the Story:
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/07/islami...nnocent-people/

Just what the Hell do you think these bloodthirsty Islamist maniacs would do if they managed to overrun Israel? The bloodbath that would occur would make the one I just linked to above look like a minor incident in comparison.
Why do we call those who ignore the facts Libtards? Well these same facts speak for themselves.
There are NO TWO SIDES to this issue period. I personally think the Israelis have exhibited remarkable restraint considering what the Islamists would do to them if they had the weapons capability.
"fundamentalis hardliners" is Libspeak. I personally don't know of even ONE unprovoked attack on Muslims by Israel since 1948. So your point that they would kill Muslims onsight is in fact an outright lie.

Bill, I believe Jim has a point. What's an Israeli hardliner? When have we seen them kill palestinians on sight. When has Israel taken an unprovoked offensive, dug attack tunnels, lobbed random rockets or suicide bombed anyone.

Asked before, we know what the palestinians will say and do. When equivocating, can the Israelis be shown to do similar.

You do follow what your dem appointed sec of state kerry tried to do to Israel to 'help' broker peace. You know he had ambitions to be pres.