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Differing points of view or more of the same. What's wrong with concluding that hamas should walk away from any settlement conflict in the name of peace. Why would there be that little voice saying, it ain't gonna matter one tiny bit.

The settlement 'discussion' seems to be an easy out to not having solutions. Won't happen, so it's a 'fact' that can not be disproved.

Your right Craig if only the Arabs would accept being driven from what was there home there would be peace.....just that easy. Once again, when a Country is founded through terrorism it is in a hard position to demanand its end.

Very reasonable, but I just don't understand why there's an implication here that hamas is a viable reasonable productive entity. Israel has an economy and benefits all in the area. They do not act as a big dog, their interest is a tiny speck on the map.

Here's what a "viable reasonable productive entity" looks like if you're a Muslim backer!


http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/08/01/hamas-violates-72-hour-ceasefire-after-just-90-minutes/

As an aside: The Biggest recipient of US foreign aid in 2012(the last year I can find records for) was Afghanistan NOT Israel.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2...israel-n1873392

NBC News has come under sharp criticism from Israeli officials this week after one of its reporters falsely reported that attacks on a hospital and a refugee camp in Gaza came from Israeli drones. In fact, the shells were (mis)fired by Hamas, and were intended for Israeli civilians. The terrorist organization's incompetence killed their own people.

Israel's ambassador to the US, Ron Dermer, eloquently explained his country's position on the attack to Megyn Kelly last night, responding to the White House's statement that it was "totally indefensible." Dermer explained that no one has the full context of the incident yet, while readily conceding that the deaths of children is "heart-wrenching." He correctly and repeatedly returned his focus to the question of who is responsible for the violence and the ongoing war. He also noted that Hamas rockets have been discovered in UN-administered schools on three occasions over the last two weeks.


As Hamas has been busy executing accused "collaborators," shooting Palestinian anti-war protesters, and threatening journalists, Israel has been shipping hundreds of tons of humanitarian supplies into the Gaza strip:


The Israeli Foreign Ministry, meanwhile, announced on Twitter that Israel has sent into Gaza more than 4 million liters of diesel for the power station, 3 million liters of fuel and 800,000 liters of benzene for transportation, and 1.6 tons of gas for domestic use during the conflict. Forty-three trucks �carrying over 750 tons of food, medicine & supplies� entered Gaza Wednesday from Israel, the ministry said. It provided information on how people can donate humanitarian supplies, and a contact at the Palestinian Customs Agency.

Hamas rockets have knocked out a number of the strip's electricity lines into Israel. (That's right, Israel provides electricity to Gaza).

One non-negotiable principle for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu entering the talks is his country's right to eradicate Hamas' so-called terror tunnels. The terrorist group allegedly uses international aid and child labor to construct secret underground passageways that burrow under the border, allowing their fighters to infiltrate Israel. The tunnels have been used in several lethal attacks during the current conflict; a separate murder and kidnapping spree was detected and neutralized by Israeli forces. Captured Hamas fighters have also reportedly revealed plans for a massacre scheduled for an upcoming Jewish high holy day, in which the perpetrators were to enter Israel via the tunnel network

Thanks for the elaboration Dave:
There's NO QUESTION in my mind over who is the agressor here and frankly IMO there shouldn't be questions in anyone elses who isn't a Moslem backer.
Jim

Nor is there ANY question in my mind that Hamas is a terrorist and the aggressor who should be destroyed.Even other Arab countries agree.
Krauthammer :

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384274/legitimizing-hamass-war-criminality-charles-krauthammer

Kerry did not just trample an Egyptian initiative. It was backed by the entire Arab League and specifically praised by Saudi Arabia. With the exception of Qatar � more a bank than a country � the Arabs are unanimous in wanting to see Hamas weakened, if not overthrown

Kerry seems oblivious to the strategic reality that Hamas launched its rockets in the hope not of defeating Israel but of ending its intra-Arab isolation (which it brilliantly achieves in the Qatar-Turkey peace proposal). Hamas�s radicalism has alienated nearly all of its Arab neighbors.

Egypt cut it off � indeed blockaded Gaza � because of Hamas�s support for the Muslim Brotherhood and terror attacks on Egyptian soldiers in Sinai.

Fatah, the main element of the Palestinian Authority, is a bitter enemy, particularly since its Gaza members were terrorized, kneecapped, expelled and/or killed when Hamas seized Gaza in a 2007 coup.

Hamas is non grata in Syria, where it had been previously headquartered, for supporting the anti-government rebels.

Hamas is deeply opposed by Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states who see it, correctly, as yet another branch of the Islamist movement that threatens relatively moderate pro-Western Arab states.

Oh, really? The US was founded on terrorism. If the notion of a country being founded on terrorism strikes you as a bad thing, you will have to begin by condeming a huge part of todays world-think communist China, Panama (sponsored US terrorism) most of South America, the former Soviet Union, and the list goes on and on.
You ready to condemn all of the above, and more? Why don't you start by setting a good example, and calling up whatever tribe lived on YOUR land, and offering it back to them, gratis?
See? You are continuing the terrorism perpetrated to the indigenous. You terrorist.
The simple fact is the chips fell where they did, and it is now time for the (Arab) world to get over it. Why don't you see how interested the Saudis are in giving up part of Mecca or Medina, in exchange for a bit of Jerusalem? Or, the Iranians doing the same with Oom? Oops, I guess the Iranians don't recognize Israel. That will make it tough.
No progress will happen until all sides can begin by looking forward. Useless rearview looking back and festering on incidents from a lifetime ago will advance nothing of worth today.

Best,
Ted

Just in case you needed more facts as to just how bizarre the far left really is:
I guess using this logic below we should have given Japan a couple of operational Atomic Bombs in the later stages of WW II!


U.N. condemns Israel, U.S. for not sharing Iron Dome with Hamas

Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay slammed Israel for possibly committing war crimes in its fight against Hamas -- [to] members of the media at an �emergency� meeting of the U.N. Human Rights Council -- and then backed that accusation by suggesting the Jewish nation ought to be sharing its Iron Dome defensive technology with the very terror group it�s fighting. (If constant use of our money to sabotage our interests isn�t enough, if top to bottom corruption isn�t enough, if dominance by, espionage for and collaboration with Islam isn�t enough, at long last is incredible stupidity enough to get the U.S. the hell out of the U.N. and the U.N. the hell out of the U.S.? Please?)

So just who drove Arabs from their home, and when? Are we talking about the British defeat of the Turkish Ottoman Empire and the subsequent Balfour Declaration by the League of Nations? Weren't tens of thousands of Jews already living in that region just as they had for thousands of years? And didn't the "Palestinian" Arabs then reject the formation of both a Jewish and a Palestinian State? They had their chance to live in legitimate harmony way back in 1917 and pissed it away and instead chose to engage in a long cycle of violence. Then they all cry foul when they get their noses bloodied. It sounds like the Israeli's had a legitimate right to migrate into their new country which was created by the predecessor of the U.N. and recognized by Britain, the Soviet Union, the United States, and all of the major players on the Global scene... except for the Arabs who would rather fight than accept the Jews who originated in this region thousands of years before Moses.

Imagine how bad this could all be with the total lack of Immigration Enforcement we are seeing on our own Southern Border now. Goofballs like Jagermeister and ed good choose to wear rose-colored glasses and ignore history.

Or are we talking about driving Arabs from their home after Israel narrowly averted total destruction after it miraculously turned the tide and defeated the Arab Nations who launched a surprise "Pearl Harbor" type attack in 1967? So Israel annexed a conquered buffer zone in Gaza and the West Bank and kept it and established settlements as spoils of a war they did not initiate. Would Israelis have ever done that if their neighbors didn't try, and almost succeed in destroying them in 1967? Hasn't much of that land been ceded back since then in failed attempts to make peace with the Arabs who wish to kill all of them. How much land did they return after Jimmy Carter's Camp David Accords, and how much did Bill Clinton convince them to pull out of to finally make peace? There have been no Jewish settlements in Gaza since 2005, yet Hamas is still launching thousands of rockets and terrorist attacks, and tunneling into Israel in order to make war.

I was sure that none of the concessions that Israel has made to try to buy peace over the years would work. All of the Libtards were sure they would. Who was right? Yet I'll bet all the Libtards would want Israel to concede even more, just as they think that conceding our Gun Rights to anti-gunners will stop the grab and prevent crimes of violence.

You just can't fix stupid.



Then we have the goofy Libtard Rocky Mtn Bill asking why we regulars can't accept Israel and Hamas as co-equal partners with a little problem to resolve, with Israel being a major impediment. Uh, just who was it that voted overwhelmingly to elect Hamas to govern the Palestinians? Who permits them to buy and keep misslies in schools, hospitals, and private homes? Who funds them? As Jim tried to illustrate for him, only one of these parties has the intent of totally destroying the other... along with all non-Muslims including us as well. Bill strains to find a violent Fundamentalist extremist Israeli while there are literally thousands of examples of individual Arab and Arab Nation State attacks upon Israel, replete with missile attacks, shootings, suicide bombings, terrorism, kidnappings and murders, and an ongoing Iranian Atomic Weapons program with the goal of vaporizing Israel. All of this, plus lockstep adherence to the failed policies of the Great Society, and poor Rocky Mtn Bill can't understand why we think he's so damn dumb???