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Killing Palestinians on sight is not Israeli policy, but there are plenty of fundamentalist Israelis, especially among those living in illegal settlements who do exactly that, for instance, the boy they beat and burned to death just recently. I don't doubt what Hamas would do if it had the means. I do have better expectations of Israel.PS For all the attacks on the present administration, it does keep Israel well supplied with ammunition.
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CNN: Jerusalem (CNN) -- An adult and two minors have been indicted in what Israeli authorities say was the revenge killing of a Palestinian teen -- a death that helped stoke tensions between Israelis and Palestinians this month -- an Israeli district attorney said Thursday.
ONE isolated incident ,which the Israelis investigated and indicted their own citizens for, and you want to paint the Israelis with the broad brush of Terrorism. When do you expect Hamas to investigate and arrest suspects for the murder of those 3 teenage Israelis? Don't hold your breath as they probably been given medals for this. The United States has been giving Israel weapons basically since its inception so they can defend themselves from Islamic terrorism. Even Obama isn't stupid enough to change that policy. Oh and I guess if your an Israeli and you believe you have the right to live that makes you a "fundamentalist". Israel returned more land then it now has to the Islamites after the 67 war and also closed down many settlement in occupied areas so they're hardly in the land grabbing busines.
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Bill, Arabs move feely in Israeli society. They vote, run for election, and hold political office in Israel, when elected to it. Have you read the charter for Hamas, Bill? Have you heard what the Iranians have said about their goal for Israel? What two sides do you speak of? You cannot compare the two. They are as different as good and evil, because they are good, and evil.
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Interview with Hamas defector http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2014/0...or/?repeat=w3tcThe interview – which you can listen to here – makes many important points. The one I think is most significant for Americans is Mr. Yousef’s explanation that Hamas is not a nationalist political organization. Since the days of the Clinton administration, which means the early years of Hamas, it has been the practice of the United States government to portray Hamas as if, though a terrorist organization, it is just a local group with a local agenda – akin to, say, the IRA. In point of fact, as Mr. Yousef details and as the Hamas charter corroborates, Hamas is and self-identifies as part of the global Islamic supremacist jihad. Its short-term goal is the destruction of Israel, but its aspirations are not limited to national boundaries drawn by the West – it wants a global caliphate just like its parent organization, the Brotherhood, does; just like its once and future patron, Iran, does; and just like its sometime rival sometime collaborator, al Qaeda, does.
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Chuck Todd Ignores Israeli Ambassador’s Request To Correct False Story Washington Free Beacon Israeli Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer asked NBC’s Chuck Todd if the network would correct a false accusation made by [a] Gaza-based reporter and Hamas sympathizer. [The reporter] claimed in a report for NBC News that an Israeli drone had attacked a United Nations facility, killing more than a dozen civilians. The claim led to widespread condemnation of Israel. Yet an investigation proved that the cause of the explosion was a rocket from Islamic Jihad that fell short of its target in Israel, landing in Gaza. After Dermer asked Todd to correct the story, Todd changed the subject and then ended the interview
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A complicated history that will see no peace in our lifetimes. One part that is often left out is terrorism that helped to form the country of Israel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violenceLooks like the bombing and murder of civilians has been going on long before Hamas was founded http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombingAs always the victors write history but the black and white views some hold here do mesh with my views that this is a very complex problem with blame on both sides. Israels actions in East Jerusalem and the West Bank with continuing to build settlements is a major road block to any peace plan, as are the Rockets launched by Hamas. No easy answers and people will continue to die on both sides until some form of compromise is reached. Not likely to bee seen anytime soon though.
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SKB: There is little question that early on Israel had their own type of terrorist faction. But that was over half a century ago. There has been no terrorism on the part of modern day Israel and I think that's where the current discussion has to be focused. Yes it's a very complex situation going back over 1000 years. However if the Arabs truly want peace all they would have to do is quit attacking the Israelis, recognise they have a right to exist and that would be the end of it. IMO: The balls really in the Arabs court and as long as "moderate" Muslims allow the shots to be called by the terrorist extremists like Hamas there will never be a peaceful solution in that region. Jim
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Different viewpoints Jim. When a country is founded upon terrorism it is hard for them to demand others stop the practice. I think it is fair to say both sides are currently conducting terrorist activities. The Israelis continue to carry out assassinations during modern times among many other things. Peace could be moved forward quickly if Israel would compromise on Jerusalem and other"occupied territories" and illegal settlements. They are slowing, a piece at a time, taking more land, it is a fact. Were the Israelis to stop the land grab, there might be a chance at peace. Maybe if there were a moderate Israeli government real negotiations could be conducted.
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A complicated history that will see no peace in our lifetimes....
....the black and white views some hold here do mesh with my views that this is a very complex problem with blame on both sides....
....Israels actions in East Jerusalem and the West Bank with continuing to build settlements is a major road block to any peace plan....
....Not likely to bee seen anytime soon though. Maybe there is no issue in this world that is black and white, but it seems odd to go to great lengths to assign equal blame to Israel for intentional lethal armed conflict. Sounds like 'settlement' means forward offensive military base to attack hamas, but if they go away every thing is still the same. It seems to be a common theme, no answers to offer, but equivocate based on feelings. Shouldn't policy be based on fact, and shouldn't the US appreciate the Israeli will to defend themselves. Why again are we sending money to hamas. Is it to defend themselves against settlements. Didn't our kerry just propose to Israel to let qatar mediate negotiations. Isn't qatar maybe the biggest hamas financial backer. Interesting, does qatar feel settlements are a threat to the region. I most definitely agree there're no likely solutions that appeal to emotion, but recorded history shows that all in that area can live in relative peace only if a big dog flexes its military muscle.
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The single biggest recipient of US foreign aid, both militarily and economically since 1968 has been Israel. I would personally appreciate them much more if they could stand alone without our help. The will to defend yourself is swell, but it would be much better if they could show that will and pay their own way. Time to see if the big dog can win its own fights?
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