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Steve:

First of all, you are not old enough to know very much, this we understand. You could not have voted in more than two or three presidential elections...?...

None of your posts ever reflect "fair and balanced anything"...maybe you interpret words and sentence structure differently than the majority...?...Your posts are very one sided and show liberal tunnel vision.

I am glad you are a world traveler and are so knowledgeable about world politics, citizens of the planet and all the struggles associated with the human population. I for one do not think you are too bright and understand far less than you think you do.

I have traveled a little bit, but since you don't ever do your homework, you would not know that. As a retired Airline Captain with a Major Carrier I traveled to almost every corner of our fine planet for over 30 years, retaining many friends in many countries to this day. Serving as a Pilot in the U.S. Navy I served two tours in Viet Nam and flew a few combat sorties. None of this qualifies me for anything, other than understanding our home, The United States of America and what she stands for. Did you ever serve your country in the military, just curious even though I know the answer...?

You still probably know more than Keith, me, J.R.B., ISS, Stan or any of our fine MAJORITY gun loving second amendment types on this board, because that is "what YOU think"......

Most of us understand the other side, you and other liberals. What we don't understand is how you can and did support/vote for a President who is anti-gun, anti second amendment and has absolutely no experience whatsoever at anything.....?...You will deny your support, your vote, but being the obvious Bush hater you are, by the text in your posts and your attitude, your political choice is obvious to anyone that can read.

I for one, do not like people who voted to destroy our fine nation, whether for self worth, anti-Bush or any other reason. It reflects stupidity, period.

Oh I forgot Doug, in this country we are only entitled to vote the way you approve of, my bad.

I'm flattered really, maybe even blushing. I have voted in 5 Presidential elections and just barely missed a sixth. I must be aging well. Thank you for the kind compliments.......


I'll take the anti-Bush label and wear it with pride. He did an incredible amount to harm this fine nation of ours. Sorry that does not fit in with your Party line, but it is the truth.

Oh and you have hardly dazzled me with your intelligence Doug. Your deep thought into all things political is evident. Conservative = good, Liberal = bad, no matter the real issue at hand. I like to look a bit beyond that.

Must be tough for you, still trying to fit me into a little tiny box. You need to open that closed mind of yours just a little, it might scare you, but it will be good for you in the long run.
Steve

Agreed that Bush did a lot of harm to this country, mostly by trying to appease the Left that would hate him under any circumstance. And oh how they stabbed him in the back after his decision to go into Iraq... not to get any 9-11 planners... but to stop Saddam from blatantly violating U.N. sanctions. He had the support of 86% of the public and leading Democrats like Bill Clinton and John Kerry. But they turned on him just as they turned on his father, George H.W. Bush, when he went along with their request to increase taxes in spite of his "Read my lips..." pledge. That's where the spirit of bipartisanship gets you with a Liberal Democrat.



Steve, your tiny little box fits very well indeed. In spite of your little pro-NRA blurb a short while ago, you do indeed support and tow the Liberal line 100% of the time. You can say what you want, but it sure as hell ain't either Libertarian or Independant. We're not blind! You only pop in to counter Conservative thoughts. It's beyond obvious. Deep political thought on your part is hardly evident. Only Liberal Democrat partisanship. You can be in denial all you want, but any idiot can see through the dishonesty of what you are attempting to conceal about yourself and your purpose.

When we Conservatives espouse our views, we do a pretty good job of delineating our reasoning. We see what was very good for this country in the LONG RUN, like about 200 years, and what has happened in the last 50 years of Great Society Liberal Democrat failures. The many losses don't come close to offsetting the few gains. Our Canadian friend canvasback said it very well last week:



What's happening in this nation now is not good for anyone except race hustlers, Democrat politicians, and those who seek to destroy us. You really think your mind is so open and enlightened????... look around. Unless you're gay, an illegal alien, or on Welfare of some kind, there is little to celebrate. Was it so essential to have a black man in the White House that the only choice was a totally inexperienced inept drug abusing narcissistic Socialist liar who is 100% anti-gun 100% of the time? You seriously think Bush runs a close second to that? Are you telling us that Gore or Kerry would have been a better choice? No need to answer that... we already know more about you than you'll ever know about the extent of my travels.

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"What's happening in this nation now is not good for anyone except race hustlers, Democrat politicians, and those who seek to destroy us. You really think your mind is so open and enlightened????... look around. Unless you're gay, an illegal alien, or on Welfare of some kind, there is little to celebrate. Was it so essential to have a black man in the White House that the only choice was a totally inexperienced inept drug abusing narcissistic Socialist liar who is 100% anti-gun 100% of the time? You seriously think Bush runs a close second to that"

You left out ineligible to occupy the office Keith: Note the "mistake" one of his flunkies made in public the other day about his true birthplace.
BTW: I believe O'Reilly's assertion that he is trying to get impeached while correct is misdirected. He should be charged with illegally occupying the White House and immediately jailed.
You don't have to impeach someone who was not legally elected.
Jim

And; While what's happening in the Country today is dispicable it's been a much needed eye opener to many.

ah yes the typical liberal, NRA member, anti-Obamacare, pro balanced budget and individual freedoms, anti-welfare, anti-tax, GOP voting.....let me go on. Yep this country needs open minded folks like you Kieth. I can see you are really on to a new strategy to put the White House and Congress firmly in GOP hands.

If you actually go back read some of what have posted about my views on O-care, the unemployment numbers, Obama in general etc
it hardly points to a liberal viewpoint. Being such a conservative I would think things like the cost of the Iraq war both in terms of dollars spent and American lives lost would be bothersome to you. How about unfunded medicare part-D? Bothersome? I think so, and yes I think the way Bush handled foreign policy and Iraq specifically puts him right behind Obama in the running for the worst in recent history if not ever.

Since you guys love pictures that do not tell the whole story, how about this one?

http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2010/11/16/mission%20accomplishedx.jpg

I don't like a lot of things Bush did either said so and reluctantly voted for him at the time. I was part of the small conservative minority that was against us going back into Iraq to depose Hussein. I believe my statement(question actually) at that time has proven eeriely accurate:
"We can win the war in Iraq but how are we going to win the peace?"
I know this is heresy to many but with a "Hussein" in place the 3 major parties Sunnis Sheias and Kurds, all of whom hate each other, were kept in check. If one group got out of line several of their members "disappeared" and Hussein apparently did not show favorites.
I also did not believe and still don't believe today that Hussein ever posed any direct threat to the United States.
Jim

And the members of this forum should Never forget:

Bush publicly stated that he would have signed a bill to extend the expired "Assault Weapons" ban had Congress passed it. He and his father were No friends to gun owners.

I agree with everything you wrote Jim, further reinforcing my North East Liberal credentials
Steve

I'd suspect anyone who gives any issue a bit of thought would hold their nose and proactively participate in the election process for what they thought was their best representation.

Head to head this fall, fantasy election, does Bush or bo get your vote.

Incredible harm? Just on regs alone, what has bo done not to this fine nation in general, but to the cost and ability for you to make a living at your chosen craft.

I've wondered before, can 'do nothing R's' be blamed, or do you have a justification for income tax increases, hazmat hoops to jump through, shipping, energy cost increases. Can you get the same chemicals you need at reasonable costs. Are some no longer available.

I'd hope there might be more than we're greener, cleaner, healthier and happier. Are things really better, or is this a time in America that stirs the need to 'argue' because justifying just doesn't translate to everyday life.

Call it what ever you like but I would suggest you look at his board profile here before opening your mouth. I don't particularily appreciate someone pissing on a friend.

I had in my earlier post neglected to acknowledged being wrong in regards to Doug and his travels. He has obviously been a few places and more places than myself though I am quite well traveled. It must have taken him a lot of work to keep such a closed mind after being exposed to such a variety of culture.

Craig, for me in this falls fantasy election I'd vote Bush. I can still get all the products I need despite the executive orders in place. I certainly believe the Ivory ban, restrictions on Elephant hunting, the slow down in import approval on firearms(despite my aversion to conspiracy theories) are a result of our current administration. I fully agree with you regarding the short comings of our current administration. I also was incredibly disappointed in last administration. The increased budget deficit is under Obama is constantly quoted by the right as huge issue. I could not agree more. Here is chart nicely showing the increase. Be careful though, a full reading of our public debt will also show debt growth under GWB. Also of note is the giant increase in debt during Reagan/Bush Sr. It is pretty scary when you at how BOTH the last two administrations spent money like drunk sailors. Because I see the flaws in both parties am I some kind of far lefty? I don't think so, but I'm hardly willing to say one side is Lilly white in this mess. Who are you leaning toward speculatively in 2016? Myself, from what I know of Rand Paul, I'm leaning towards him. I like the fact he is fiscally conservative and that he is not especially eager to get us involved in another conflict in some armpit of the world. I know.....more crazy liberal crap eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt