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Last couple double rifles I examined were .30-40 Kraig by LeForgeron and Birmingham made .303 English with highly regarded Scottish name on the barrels (can't remember the name either Henry or Frazer). Neither had means of scope mounting. The former was $9,000 and latter $14,000. There are a lot of AF admirers in USA and fact that firm still exists helps a great deal. This was few years ago and not being interested in double rifles I do not know what this would bring in today. The 60s vintage B Nickel is still usable scope. There are plenty of old German Weatherby scopes still in use. I had 2,5x fixed power B Nickel from mid 70s on my .375H&H (that was when I was foolish enough to buy something so large) and the scope was ok though much, much worse than something like 1,75-5x Vortex Diamondback.
With respect to loads I would think you need to reduce average gas pressure of the standard modern .30-06 cartridge by about 40-50MPa. If you don't reload using reduced recoil (lower velocity) loads may accomplish this. I don't know.
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B. Nickel scopes are excellent (I own a couple). It doesn't seem to be mounted too far back (as some European scopes can be) so I don't see any problem there. A nice and practical outfit!
With kind regards, Jani How are those Nickel scopes? I was looking at 1,5-6x42mm with L1 illuminated reticle for my .300H&H. Does it have good illumination adjustment so that brightness can be adjusted for shooting at dawn and dusk? I little concerned that in lower light situations that arrow might be too much illumination. I love that reticle design, but don't want to blow away 2,189+ euro to find out. Thanks.
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Update on the Francotte........ The two pics show 2 rights and 2 lefts at 100 yds. using the Federal Fusion Lite (170 gr. @ 2,000fps)load which is about 30-30 power; barrels open easily and ejection is strong. This is as close as I could get it to shoot without spending many hours reloading and shooting as I have been unable to bribe Skeetx into applying his loading bench magic. This will do for the range I'll use the gun this fall; shots at 100 yds. or less. For sure, this Francotte does NOT like regular power 30-06 ammo. Standard velocity 150 and 180 gr. loads crossfired with hard to open barrels and sticky ejection. I'm still thinking it was regulated with 220 gr. bullets at about 2200fps. Jagermeister, the Nickel scope is an old one (the gun was made in 1927)but is exceptionally clear with positive adjustments and and adjustable eyepiece that allows you to focus to extreme sharpness. Anyway, it will be fun to take hunting a couple of times before it probably gets sold or traded for some Winchester 21's.
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YUP, that Skeettx is a rascal Oh yes, what did you say was your name Good luck on the hoofed animal hunt I have been spending my time dove hunting and wishing about duck season Mike
USAF RET 1971-95
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GaryW, With Double Rifles, improper bench technique can cause targets that make it seem that the rifle dosen't shoot as well as it really will. Try normal 180 gr loads and this time hold the rifle in both hands, raise the front rest so you have to sit upright,and fire the right barrel followed by the left as quickly as you can get back on target.Let the barrels cool to ambient temp. barore shooting the next right/left.When you shoot a cool barrel next to a warm one the target looks bad. Mike
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I sat upright and rested the fore arm/barrels in my right hand for this session. I did not fire quickly on the second barrel, but will try that next time. Rear trigger is MUCH heavier pull than the front trigger, and I understand that is to prevent sear slippage and doubling. Front trigger is extremely light. I still believe the gun was regulated for 220 gr. bullets and will get around to trying those. For this season, those Fed. fusion lites will get the job done. If that 1st shot continues to plunk the heart/lung area, there will be no need for a quick second shot.
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GaryW, It's possible that it was regulated with 220gr, as you believe.If you have confidence in the way it shoots, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Mike
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Unless you have tried already I would take scope off and test the gun again. Quite surprisingly one can sometimes get very good results.
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Hello, that rifle could be chambered for the .30-03 round which has the 220 grs bullet but also a longer neck than the .30-06. You should do a chamber cast to make sure of the exact chambering... Lovely rifle... WC-
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