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The 14 stamped on the barrels of your gun should mean that it is bored as a fourteen gauge. If it chambers a 12 gauge shell something is drastically wrong!!!The gun looks to be of Belgian manufacture, despite the partial British proof marks.The use of fake British proof marks and makers names, was a significant problem for the British trade at the time this gun was made.
Looking at the condition of the gun I would consider it to be a wall hanger. Hope you are not too dissapointed.
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Roy, no I'm not disapointed or suprised. I guess that affects the value quite a bit, my brother will be disapointed though. He thought it was worth 2 or 3 thousand.
It also has a 12 in the diamond next to the 14 and the 12 has a C under it. Kinda hard to see. I thought this might mean choked 12 ga. If it was originally 14 ga, then someone bored & chambered it out to 12 at a later date. I doubt that because the muzzles look to be the right thickness for a 12. The barrels are original to the receiver, as all the numbers match.
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And definitely twist steel barrels, despite the 'Laminated' stamp on the rib. I added the pics of the rib and brls to the 'Damascus Barrels' PictureTrail as a warning and you've possibly done a bunch of guys a real favor by starting this thread http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery.fcgi?p=999&gid=16082038
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Thanks. Almost surely a hardware store farm gun, but I will try and take some pics if I can.
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Not that unusual to find 12 bore chambered guns with tight barrels measuring at 14 bore or even down to 15 from that early era. Just has black powder marks but not complete. The thing that puzzles me are the many stampings of the word 'England'. That sets the suspicious mind going. The butt plate design is about as non-English as you can get. May be spurious. As a gift it makes a nice wall piece. Lagopus.....
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Roy, no I'm not disapointed or suprised. I guess that affects the value quite a bit, my brother will be disapointed though. He thought it was worth 2 or 3 thousand.
It also has a 12 in the diamond next to the 14 and the 12 has a C under it. Kinda hard to see. I thought this might mean choked 12 ga. If it was originally 14 ga, then someone bored & chambered it out to 12 at a later date. I doubt that because the muzzles look to be the right thickness for a 12. The barrels are original to the receiver, as all the numbers match. I actually had a high end German gun at one time that appeared to be a 14 that had been bored to 12, because the bore and chamber cast indicated this. However, I later found that the maker had a whole line of proprietary shotgun chamberings just like a lot of german rifle and drilling builders. One they pushed was a 14 bore with a cartridge very clos to a 12.
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