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JC, thank you. I hope readers will click on your "Gastinne Renette" site and see the info there. Neat gun you have with two colors of gold in the monogram. Can you tell us about the proofmarks as I am away from my references. Daryl
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Daryl,
The gun is for sale in a French website. 16/65 and the owner says it is not fit for shooting as the barrels are pitted. He sent me the photos.
Littlegun in Belgium once again provides excellent information.
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". . . one or more rotating locking heads"; hmmm. What is the piston-like object protruding from the "breech face" of the Stopvis and described in the Verney/Massard patent, Robt.? Is it a rotating bolt head as in a rifle or a Benelli Nova? I guess you weren't kidding about having the "paper". Made a believer out of me!
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Very interesting stuff, thanks to all. JC my Roblin has 2 interesting traits that are on the hammer gun you posted. The forend is connected and the Crest is 2 tone gold. Thanks again to all, Jeff G.
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I learn something every day, and a lot of times it's that what I learned the day before was wrong
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I'm pretty sure four palms was the old pre 1923 superior proof with black powder. My dog ate my copy of Wernsberger, but, it is in there... Kennett says 4 palms are "Double proof (black powder) of semi-finished barrels at 20,500 psi, until 1924. Presently (1970) called triple proof at 18,000 psi." Alan at Little Gun http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20francaise/artisans%20c%20d/a%20darne%20gb.htm4 palms = 30 grams Black powder, 180 grams of #8 shot, 1720 kg/cmĀ² Some really interesting Darne pictures on that Little Gun page by the way. Those are Belgian doubles that were marketed in France, like the L'Abielle line. There were some exceptions. I'm not sure what year France and Belgium separated but I'm sure the border was imaginary in the minds of some. 1794 Low Countries and Liege conquered by the French 1815 Belgium part of the United Kingdom of the Netherlands 1830 Belgian Revolution 1831 installation of Leopold I as king 1839 independence recognized by the Treaty of London Pete
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Daryl, I'm pretty sure V-C makes their own barrels now, or at least that's what their catalog indicates. Not sure that's always been the case.
Interesting stuff on the V-C sliding breech gun.
DR was likely the actioner of your gun, DT--although the initials don't ring any bells with me.
James, looks like your gun started life as 2 1/2" and was at some point lengthened to 2 3/4".
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Thanks Pete...AND.. thank you for redirecting me to the French Identified Craftsmen page...I just noticed that an ID question that was sent out to all the members of "Friends of the Liege Museum" several years ago, regarding a Berthon Freres O/U, wound up posting the reference material that I submitted. French makers are not my strong suit, but the info passed the scrutiny of the other board members. Believe me, they are not keen on some American telling them of their own history. Over the years associated with Littlegun, not one smart ass accused me of being on drugs, or wearing aluminum foil hats (like Yeti)...It should come as no suprise that fellow researchers are reluctant to post here...... So, I say THANK YOU to Mr.Brown, Ted and ALL the others who let me post some French data, without becoming anything other than interested. We are not going to unravel the French gun trade here and it's doubtful that anyone will print the thread, but some will save all the digital images in their computer or on CD to be later compared to additional posted data...quickly, and without papers or file cabinets.
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