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I'll try to be concise and wary of he-said, he-said. I have no quibble with your post. You brought a soldier's opinion to Bowe Dahlberg, I a civilian's.You have broad experience in the military. I have broad experience with military affairs, courts martial, PTSD, cowardice, and escaped a charge of treason under our old Official Secrets Act for a national TV documentary involving Canada's "secret" underwater listening technology to protect North America, common knowledge for readers of US technical magazines.

There's no question of Bergdahl leaving his Post. He deserted. Lower-rank opinion is that his punishment should be rotting with the Taliban or a "kinder punishment" of shooting him at dawn. Higher command indicates the opposite, perhaps reflecting US national interests and what was in Bergdahl's head having significant influence on punishment, if any. His bugging out precedes national bugging out from wars with little or no public support. There were 22,000 US desertions in the Second World War, only one execution since the Civil War. I said no rush to judgment, wait for the whole story.

That's enough of me, here's relevant background:

Newsweek--"Commentary about the prisoner-swap negotiated between the United States and the Taliban of Afghanistan has already devolved into the type of bumper-sticker debate that emerges in the era of 140-character analysis on Twitter. On one side, those who condemn the Obama administration for �negotiating with terrorists.� (28 characters.) On the other, those who praise it for making sure that �no soldier gets left behind on the battlefield.� (47 characters.)

"As usual, reality is more complex. There is some to praise, some to condemn and much to wrestle with in the exchange of five Taliban leaders detained at Guantanamo Bay for U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, an American soldier held by the Taliban for five years. The truth is, anyone who believes this is a simple decision open to immediate criticism or celebration is probably driven by politics, and not knowledge of international or military affairs.

"The prisoner swap entails many legal, military and diplomatic issues�what is the Taliban? Does the American military still back the �no soldier left behind� doctrine? Is this deal different from others in the past? Does this instance constitute �negotiating with terrorists� or something more complex? Should peace talks with the Taliban be considered? And finally, who are the prisoners in this instance and does it matter what they did?

Washington Post---"The question of whether the U.S. negotiated with terrorists begins, of course, with whether the Taliban is a terrorist organization. All five of the detainees in the exchange were members of the Afghan Taliban. And the Afghan Taliban is not on the State Department�s list of foreign terrorist organizations.

"In fact, the U.S. government had been trying for years to include the Afghan Taliban as part of the political reconciliation plan for Afghanistan. So if members of the Afghan Taliban are terrorists, the U.S. government had been negotiating with them for years. Last year, the U.S. made a diplomatic push to include the Afghan Taliban in the reconciliation process by encouraging the opening of a Taliban office in Qatar, but the effort quickly unraveled. The Afghan Taliban suspended direct talks with the U.S. in 2012, and according to the State Department, direct communication has not resumed since."

Wall Street Journal---"We don't qualify who we try to recover: He's an American soldier," said Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary. "It doesn't matter how he was taken captive. It doesn't matter under what circumstances he left. It doesn't matter what his persuasions were, political or otherwise. We have an obligation to recover all of those who are missing in action."

Brian, the military and civilians often get it wrong. Rumsfield with his 123,000-man piece of cake in Iraq, Westmoreland and Co. in Vietnam. Bowe Dahlberg, promoted to sergeant and on active service with reported more than $350,000 in his jeans for time served, will not be shot or punished. Civilian leadership does worse to shame our countries all the time.

Why all the detail about the superficial. bo wants to close gitmo. He could've given 'em six 'freedom fighters', on the quiet. Why the message, and please about the shame. Anti war is an auto response mantra, at any cost, there is no shame.

If we're worried about perceptions, isn't five living breathing rock star taliban inspirational leaders worth more than some lefty saying gitmo helps recruiting. I think the topic is 'endanger', not 'shame' our countries all the time, but chances are the 'topic' would get sidetracked.

I've shot my bolt on this one, Craig. As Newsweek said: "The truth is, anyone who believes this is a simple decision open to immediate criticism or celebration is probably driven by politics, and not knowledge of international or military affairs."

That's all we get in Misfires, the left blaming Bush, the right blaming Obama, when often neither are to blame but following protocol i.e. Canada and the United States despising the Saudi kingdom but smiley because of national interests.

Shame is the word for what we do to keep the house warm and a roof over our heads. Keep cool.

Shame is the word for what dishonest Liberals do to attempt to excuse the idiotic and dangerous actions of the anti-gun Socialist Obama.

Now we have King quoting leftist rags and leftist authors, trying to say that the Afghan Taliban is not a terrorist organization. I know we sided with them and helped them when they were trying to oust the Soviets, but they turned on us in unmistakable anti-American Islamic Jihad. They operated training camps to train radical Islamists to attack us repeatedly. They harbored bin Laden until he fled to Pakistan. They do not wear the uniform of the Afghan armed forces. They fought a protracted guerrilla war that killed and wounded our soldiers.

Now we have King making lame excuses for the Junior Varsity foreign policy team Obama attempting to overturn long-standing policy of not negotiating with terrorists, and even worse, trading five of Gitmos most ruthless Islamic terrorists for one deserter.

Brian, you asked for a straight succint reply and got more of King's covering for Obama. Who could have seen that one coming?

I know we're all just one big happy single parent family, and sure it's beyond the comprehension of the average voter. But, why'd you bring Bush into it. No big deal, I just ask because bo was the guy that let the five misunderstood, blameless freedom fighters, back in the game.

I know this horse has been beaten to a pulp, but the equivocation for distractification, huh? Inquiring minds want to know, and you often opt not to respond, what's so important about this issue to reinforce the facade that it's no big deal. Keep warm, hey you're up in NS.

Here's a veteran's opinion. Deserters should be hung by the neck until dead, dead, dead. Fraggers should be hung for three days and nights. And pictures taken.

SRH

What about Community Organizers and anti-gun Canadians who give aid and comfort to the enemy? Oh wait... I forgot... blowing up our soldiers with suicide vests and IED's is just a little workplace violence.

I'd get in trouble because I'd be tempted to take a steaming dump on the corpses head.

Treason - Obama Aids the Enemy!

By Matt Barber

Read more at http://eaglerising.com/14607/treason-obama-aids-enemy/#sICtRw1r8IEfGmc3.99

�There is no doubt that Americans will die as a direct result of Obama�s demonstrably illegal actions here,� I wrote back in June. �With most of these monsters in their 40s, they�ve got decades to kill as many Americans as they can get their blood-soaked hands on.�

The National Enquirer, of all publications, interviewed me on my analysis, publishing a feature article that largely echoed my sentiments and concluded, �Meanwhile, D.C. insiders say that the only way the Bergdahl fiasco will �disappear� is if the U.S. gets involved in an ongoing crisis elsewhere, which will allow President Obama to �redeem himself� in not only the eyes of his critics but the world.�

While the Obama administration has, no doubt, manufactured many a crisis elsewhere, no such redemption has been forthcoming. Neither has the Bergdahl scandal disappeared. Instead, that which even hard-left Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., feared has, in a few short months, and quite predictably so, become reality. We now learn from a reluctant Obama media that at least one of the �Taliban Five� � one of these faithful followers of Muhammad � intends to kill more American citizens.

Reports CNN:

�The U.S. military and intelligence community now suspect that one of the five Taliban detainees released from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in May of last year has attempted to return to militant activity. �

�It comes at a politically sensitive time as the administration has quickened the pace of prisoner release in an effort to encourage the closure of Guantanamo, and the Army must decide in the coming weeks whether and how to punish Bergdahl for leaving his post. [It's called wartime desertion, CNN. Until recently it got you lined up and shot.]�


According to a September congressional report, �about 17 percent of detainees transferred out of Guantanamo Bay are confirmed by the U.S. to have returned to militant activity. About 12 percent are in the suspected category,� noted CNN.

And so as Barack Obama recklessly sows the seeds of a foolish, politically driven campaign promise, we begin to reap the poisonous fruit of his incompetence. As intelligence concludes that nearly one-third (probably more) of these rabid jihadi dogs will return to their rabid jihadi ways, Obama yet races to loose them from their chains. (Hey, I hear ISIS has several openings in HR [Head Removal]. Perhaps our Muslim-sympathizer-in-chief can whip-up a quick batch of reference letters.)

I wish it could be said that this man is simply an incompetent fool, but I fear it�s much more complicated than all that. At best, Barack Hussein Obama is a full-blown dhimmi (one who surrenders to Muslim dominance). At worst, he shares with Muslims the sworn enemies of both the Quran and �progressivism,� namely Israel and Christianity.

Read more at http://eaglerising.com/14607/treason-obama-aids-enemy/#sICtRw1r8IEfGmc3.99

Contrary to what liberals think there is no way of knowing what goes on inside a criminals head.

Simplistic answer is he's a genetic screw up.