Here are a couple of Spanish "not so best guns". The top is a 12 gauge Loyola from 1966. The bottom gun is an El Faisan 20 gauge ejector gun from 1964. I use them for upland the odd time. Well, not so much the 20 gauge. It is quite a petite gun but it only has a 12 1/4" LOP. I thought about adding a removable spacer at the pad but haven't done it yet as I have let a few youth shoot it out at the cabin. It's great for a "youngin" or a lady with shorter arms.