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I'd have to classify mine as the "4th Model" type, (Davenport models) with the first Iver Johnson patent. It has the forward pin the Iver Johnson guns lack. It appears they're the second patent. Is that referred to as a "210"? Regards Ken
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"DAVENPORT FIREARMS CO.
Providence, Rhode Island
Norwich, Connecticut
DOUBLE-BARREL SHOTGUNS
Text and prices by Nick Niles
William Hastings Davenports company also made and marked double-barrel, visible hammer guns in Providence, R.I. on Orange St., 1880-1882 and in Norwich, Conn. ca. 1890-1909. All are monbloc designs of which there were four models. The 1st model made at Providence, ca. 1881, had hammers rising out of the boxlock frame. The 2nd model, made in Norwich, Conn. about 1898, is a typical boxlock. The 3rd model made in Norwich, Conn., ca. 1909, has small sidelocks set in larger boxlock frames. Its barrels have unnotched extensions and notched underlugs. The 4th model, also from Norwich, possibly made after the 1901 takeover by Hopkins & Allen, also has sidelocks set in boxlock frames but the barrels have half moon lugs and notched barrel extensions. Few Davenport doubles are seen although single barrel guns are often found."
So, Rather than describing them as W.H. Davenport guns, especially since they're the "4th Model" wouldn't the Iver Johnson reference would be more appropriate?
Maybe I am wrong but... The way I read into the above paragraph these are all Hammerguns. The 4th model is the small sideplated boxlock action w/half moon lug and a Notched dollshead extension. I have never seen a 4th model marked Davenport. Most are marked H&A. This should be the 4th model:  Notice the Half moon lug and notch in dollshead extension.  Somewhere in this forum is a thread showing that Iver Johnson bought the patent rights to the H&A Hammerless Sideplated Boxlock after H&A folded in 1914. The IJ version does not show the Hammer pin through the sideplates. The Davenport version I just acquired looks similar to both but is different mechanically from the H&A. I have not had an Iver Johnson apart to see the mechanism. Some how they all tie together. With No patent dates on the Davenport gun(HLsplBL) there is little to go from, John
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I'd have to classify mine as the "4th Model" type, (Davenport models) with the first Iver Johnson patent. It has the forward pin the Iver Johnson guns lack. It appears they're the second patent. Is that referred to as a "210"?
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Ken, I think the gun you refer to is this HLsplBL. The H&A 110.  The H&A 210 was only mfg in 1914 just before H&A went belly up. It had a different barrel lug  The barrel lug.  I am still looking for H&A 210 and an IJ. There are way too many American doubles... John
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Thanks John,
I clearly mis-interpreted the term "4th Model" as being the hammerless, sideplated boxlock. Yes, it appears that my gun is a H&A 110. Do you know any specifics as far as patent and years of production?
Great, now I can add a 210 as well as an Iver Johnson gun to my list of guns to watch for. So many doubles, so little time!
Regards
Ken
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Ken,
You and I are on the same trek. Collecting all of them will be an adventure. I am trying to disassemble them to document the mechanisms.
Of just the Hammerless Sideplated Boxlocks(HLsplBL):
Lefever
Colton, Toledo OH - at least 2 models
Union FA Co, Toledo - at least 2 models
H&A - 2 models
Iver Johnson
W.H. Davenport.
Any others?
John
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Not off the top of my head. As far as the Americans. Do you have pics of an A&D sideplated gun? Interesting one for comparison, unless it's duplicated by an American Maker. Which ones do you still need action pictures of? I'll keep my eyes open for'em.
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Ken
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Colleagues,
Returning to the question about the butt plate (though the sideplate discussion has been quite interesting), I am on travel but I believe that there is some variability in the butt plates (with a wild turkey?). I have Forehand Arms doubles in grades 0,1,and 2, and I will check them when I return on Saturday to Norman.
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Ken,
No, I haven't seen an A&D sideplated but I did find a "Manhattan Arms Co", made by J.P. Sauer, that has hybrid plates.
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Colleagues,
Returning to the question about the butt plate (though the sideplate discussion has been quite interesting), I am on travel but I believe that there is some variability in the butt plates (with a wild turkey?). I have Forehand Arms doubles in grades 0,1,and 2, and I will check them when I return on Saturday to Norman.
Berrien Great! Thanks Ken
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Most of the Hopkins & Allen doubles I've seen have the style of buttplate shown on this beauty in photo #8. I'll bet the black paint job on the barrels and action of this gun was less labor intensive than your rust bluing. Rustoleum bluing vs. rust bluing might make an interesting topic here now that ed is back. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=473033162 Keith, I don't understand why you would possibly have a problem with this gun. It's obviously an 80% collector's item, even though it is possible that it has been professionally restored. (by an old-time Gunsmith in NH, perhaps?) I would think that a little careful touch-up of the period finish would be in order, then an overall coating of lacquer to keep it in it's obvious high condition. Rustoleum now makes a "Crystal Clear" lacquer, no doubt that'd be period-appropriate. That or a dunk into a vat of poly. Actually, I kind'a wished I'd seen it. It looks like the Forehand action, and I've got plenty of Zip-Strip...Especially if the barrels were either Twist or Damascus... Regards Ken
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