While we art on pin-fires. I am after some brass 12 bore pin-fire cartridge cases similar to these http://www.hc-collection.com/PBSCProduct.asp?ItmID=3507654 but a lot cheaper. Kranks in England used to stock them but are out of them and can't get any more. If you know of a possible source I would be most interested. Lagopus.....