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It also makes one wonder how many Arrieta built and if they'll ever build a Model 578 with 7-pin locks. You know, the 7-pin 578 in Kyrie's World that he claims are so ubiquitous. Maybe he can help us out with that.

I haven't owned my #2 AyA 16 GA for a century, nevertheless Aniie and I celebrate this 6 lb. wonder very bird season.

Well, let's see . . . a century's worth of history. Not bad. However, that would mean that AyA was not one of those Spanish makers churning out all those guns used for driven shooting prior to WWI . . . since that fracas began in 1914. Still in search of examples of some of those--that are still being used today, as are thousands of British guns from the pre-WWI era.

I think after Grulla went to Merkel to import guns and Merkel was not as good a partner as the independent dealers they had before their presence here in the States has diminished a good bit.The few I have seen and handled were nice guns,especially the later ones.

Beats mine all to hell! Love it!

Stay well!

Greg

For Larry, King, and Greg, thank you. I could not have asked for a better demonstration of the mentality behind �buy the name�, or for a more revealing look at the mindset from which that mentality grows. My condolences, for you are destined to pay more for guns than is necessary and get less than you expect. Sad, but a choice everyone gets to make.

For wild skies, thanks for the comic relief of your harping on the seven pin 578. You have seen catalog pictures and pictures of any number of 7 pin Arrieta 578 shotguns which your own research turned up. I get a hoot out of watching your mental gyrations to avoid facing the evidence of your own research. Keep up the good work :-)

Getting back to more interesting things, that article (puff piece of the first order that it is) had several interesting things in it. There is a saying that �Eibar was born in Barcelona�, and the people who actually read the article may now understand why that saying exists and how very true it is.

Has nothing to do with "buying the name", Kyrie. Simply referring back to your earlier contention about all those pre-WWI Spanish guns . . . none of which could have been made by AyA, since per your own post, the company did not exist prior to WWI.

Still in search of some of those Spanish antiques to compare to British antiques from the same period. I happen to own one of those. W. Sumners of Liverpool, 20ga, Damascus barrels. Passed reproof (3 tons) sometime between the mid-50's and the mid-80's. Bore diameter still spot on at .615, still in regular use with low pressure smokeless powder loads. Not a "name" maker by any means, but an example of a pre-WWI British double still in use--as are thousands like it, many of which also do not carry a famous name.

You err in lumping "all" into a particular mindset of your choosing, Kyrie. On the evidence of inquiries here every day, most members discriminate far beyond "just" buying the name. There's voluminous experience on this board.

It appears that Lion Country Supply/Double Shotgun.com is now taking orders for custom Grullas. Last time I checked, you had to order directly from Grulla, which I am sure did not help their US sales.