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Hey , Greg. I have accomplished the bending you requested. The stock AYA is regulated to shoot 50/50 at 40 yds. Your patterning sheets indicated some consultation by a qualified barrel person...which has been done. I followed his directions and must go pattern your gun. I am concerned about your hold point for patterning. However this is one of those areas that many have opinions on. Mine are mine. You asked me to achieve 60-40. I'm working on it. I will send the patterning sheets I will shoot home with the gun.
Temps here this week ran into the 112-118 range in my area....so I didn't go out much. I will get to pattern the gun next week.
Dennis Earl Smith/Benefactor Life NRA, ACGG Professional member
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Hi Dennis, thanks! Your the best! No big rush, just do what you think is best, after all...your the Stock Dr.
Been hot here also, upper 80's low 90's, but humid as all get out.
Thanks again and have a wonderful day!
Greg
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Over here in Brit land there is a saying there is more than one way to skin a cat and what has that to do with gun stock bending you my ask. In the early 1970s I took one of my guns to a workshop in Lower Loveday Street in the then Birmingham gun quarter to have the stock altered. Not long after I entered the workshop and finished the formalities of the paper work one of the craftsmen was about to change the cast and drop on a guns stock, now me being the very curious type of young man I stayed and watched how it was done.
The short answer was fire smoke and great experience! Firstly the guns action was clamped in a vice with the guns trigger guard removed here I should say the gun was a side by side with a straight hand English stock next a fitting was clamped to the stocks butt end, this fitting had rings fitted top bottom and one each side. Now on the floor was a traditional 56 pound weight with a ring also set in the wall at the back of the bench where a number Iron rings at about centre height of a guns stock when mounted in the vice.
Now from what I was told is the old traditional way of bending a guns stock firstly a thick wad of cotton waste was wrapped round the hand section of the stock this was held in place by four or five turns of cotton cloth all tied up with string. Next the weight on the floor was moved to position its ring in line with the bottom ring of the stock fitting. Now two pieces of cord where fitted to the rings of the stock fitting the one on the side was looped through one of the rings on the wall next the bottom ring was looped through the weights ring on the floor.
The window was opened at the back of the bench now all was ready, the cotton waste and rag holding it was flooded with Linseed oil until it was fully saturated and then lit. The oil soaked rag was left burning for what seemed an extraordinary long time to me, but amazingly the wood under the burning oil package became pliable. The flames where now extinguished by smothering them with a damp cloth, the stock was then moved to its new position using the bench top as the datum surface the chords tightened holding the stock permanently in its new position and to be kept there overnight.
It was obvious to me that this process had been done many times by the man doing it because it seemed deceptively easy but that is the trait of a person who has confidence in what he is doing.
This is just information on a method I feel should be remembered and who knows some brave member may give it a try!
The only lessons in my life I truly did learn from where the ones I paid for!
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Damascus , let assure you that art lives on. I know five craftsmen here that use that method; and many more were taught by Jack Rowe. Effective but nerve racking at first. I do not employ that method but have adapted a system of heat and oil to accomplish the same goal. The method you describe is VERY flamboyant! And effective!!
Dennis Earl Smith/Benefactor Life NRA, ACGG Professional member
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Dennis,
Surely that should be FLAMEboyant?
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Over here in Brit land there is a saying there is more than one way to skin a cat and what has that to do with gun stock bending you my ask. In the early 1970s I took one of my guns to a workshop in Lower Loveday Street in the then Birmingham gun quarter to have the stock altered. Not long after I entered the workshop and finished the formalities of the paper work one of the craftsmen was about to change the cast and drop on a guns stock, now me being the very curious type of young man I stayed and watched how it was done.
The short answer was fire smoke and great experience! Firstly the guns action was clamped in a vice with the guns trigger guard removed here I should say the gun was a side by side with a straight hand English stock next a fitting was clamped to the stocks butt end, this fitting had rings fitted top bottom and one each side. Now on the floor was a traditional 56 pound weight with a ring also set in the wall at the back of the bench where a number Iron rings at about centre height of a guns stock when mounted in the vice.
Now from what I was told is the old traditional way of bending a guns stock firstly a thick wad of cotton waste was wrapped round the hand section of the stock this was held in place by four or five turns of cotton cloth all tied up with string. Next the weight on the floor was moved to position its ring in line with the bottom ring of the stock fitting. Now two pieces of cord where fitted to the rings of the stock fitting the one on the side was looped through one of the rings on the wall next the bottom ring was looped through the weights ring on the floor.
The window was opened at the back of the bench now all was ready, the cotton waste and rag holding it was flooded with Linseed oil until it was fully saturated and then lit. The oil soaked rag was left burning for what seemed an extraordinary long time to me, but amazingly the wood under the burning oil package became pliable. The flames where now extinguished by smothering them with a damp cloth, the stock was then moved to its new position using the bench top as the datum surface the chords tightened holding the stock permanently in its new position and to be kept there overnight.
It was obvious to me that this process had been done many times by the man doing it because it seemed deceptively easy but that is the trait of a person who has confidence in what he is doing.
This is just information on a method I feel should be remembered and who knows some brave member may give it a try!
I watched a YouTube video with Jack Rowe using that method. It was neat but I would be scared to do it that way!!!!
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There is an art to this method, to be sure. Knowing just how much material to use when and how long is a learned skill best taught master to student. DYI learning can become very expensive in some job skills.
Salopian, I grew up reading and memorizing the King's English of 1611. My spelling may be poor,but you caught the meaning! Thanks!!
Dennis Earl Smith/Benefactor Life NRA, ACGG Professional member
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