Joe you hit it on the head. The number of hunters, non deer or turkey is way down. Quail numbers in many areas are too low to hunt. Bird numbers don't warrent keeping dogs. No dogs no incentive to hunt. I rather watch a young dog learn or an old dog work like an expert than limit out any day. So short barreled bird guns are in very low demand. Like I posted earlier my main dealer will not trade for any because he knows they may sit on his rack for a very long time.