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Originally Posted By: Erik W
The very few fellows I see shooting 410 in SxS shoots are either limited by physical condition to the little guns or really great shots or are looking for an excuse for poor showing.

You may find this offensive to your lofty opinion, but you've left out those that actually shoot them for fun.


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Fun for others may mean breaking as many targets as possible with their .410 or 28, etc


I can break targets pretty consistently with a 28.......not so good with the .410 grin

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Competitive shooting in an NSCA sxs event is one thing. Casual shooting on a Thursday afternoon is another. Both are fun, but if you want a gun for the former, choose wisely.
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I mainly looking for opinions on what would be suitable with what I have. Not looking to get a competition style gun. I shoot skeet with a O/U set up for that. Just for fun and to go to some nice shoots. Looks like I will probably shoot one'll my 12's that I shoot the best and is choke IC/Mod and use loads tailored to what im shooting. I shoot 7/8 oz loads in skeet anyways. I just need to load up some spreader type loads when they would be needed.

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OK, I'll come clean. PHE Parker, 30" full and full, and 26" less then full and full. Both vent ribs original trap gun. Crossover stock probably built by Robert Powley in Mifflintown, PA. It is my pigeon gun and my side by side gun for 12 gauge shoots. I don't remember winning a dollar with this gun, but it is my favorite.

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In an all make 12 ga. shoot.............. 30" BSS 12 ga. choked .018" and .018" or a
BE Fox with 32" barrels.

In an L.C. Smith/Parker Shoot.......... 32" Field grade Smith 16 ga. choked F and F

In a 20 ga. event............. Ithaca SKB 200E 28" gun

In a .410 event............ Yildiz Elegante 4 28" gun

In a hammergun event............ San Georgio 12 ga. with 30" barrels or an 1889
Remington with 30" barrels

SRH

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"Woody402," I am glad you asked, because I have long wished to participate in a side-by-side event but, together with competing office scheduling conflicts, could not decide what gun(s) would be appropriate to take to such an event. The correspondence here helpfully defines what most would use in such circumstances. In the main, like the majority of gun owners, I suspect, I employ my guns afield and only get to the local gun club or attend events infrequently. When I do go, I bring along a wide variety of bore-size guns, from 20-bore to 10-bore, hammerless and hammer-guns, all of which are damascus-barreled side-by-sides, and which seem more likely to evoke looks of surprise, curiosity and envy from the other club shooters. I greatly enjoy answering their questions, showing and extemporizing on my antique guns, and will sometimes allow them a shot or two at the clay targets, in order to hopefully peak their interest and bring them into the fold, as it were. Every serious gun enthusiast should have a side-by-side gun, as long as it does not affect the prices I pay for the antique guns of interest to me; achieving this is a sort of long-term personal project.

The two 12-bore guns I might choose to employ at side-by-side events, however, are a 2-1/2 inch chambered W. W. Greener facile princeps G 60 Crown Grade, self-acting ejector gun (choked 1/4 and barely 1/2) and a (my 2nd 'original') 3-inch chambered (Although in which, of course, I use appropriate 2-1/2 inch cartridges instead.) Prussian Charles Daly 250 Grade ejector gun (choked full and full or .036). Both have 30-inch barrels and weigh 7 and 7-1/2 pounds, as well as possess drops-at-heel of 2-1/2 and 3-inch, respectively. Each has a length-of-pull of 14-3/4 inches. For me, all things being otherwise normal, the length-of-pull is the most critical butt-stock measurement, as a LOP of 14-1/4 or even that of 14-1/2 inches hammers and rattles me.

On the other hand, deep drops at heel do not bother me or my success when shooting in the slightest. For example, I have a pristine 12-bore Prussian Charles Daly 200 Grade (Diamond Quality), choked cylinder and improved cylinder, with a drop-at-heel of 4-1/8 inches that is an astonishing quail gun (Charles Askins said it worked and he is right.). It has the bend of a Kentucky Long Rifle seen fitted in its full length shotgun case.

Below is the circa 1893 W. W. Greener gun (all wood restored and some metal work by Paul Hodgins, and all metal preparation and barrel work by Kirk Merrington) referred to above, after its use on the San Antonio Gun Club trap range two weeks ago. Remark the hand-guard, doubly needed due to a string of 100 rounds fired at clay targets and the unremitting influence of the day's 100+-degrees heat index.



The original condition Prussian Charles Daly (serial no. 326, circa 1888-91) 250 Grade ejector gun below also had a run of another 100 targets same day and required a hand-guard too, which is seen still attached. Its over-tight chokes will be reduced to 1/4 and 1/2 choke, my preferred constrictions, in the very near future. As with all my antique 12-bores, I use nothing more than an ounce of shot, and 3/4 of an ounce (of shot size nos. 7, 8 or 9, depending on use), in my opinion, would be markedly better, coupled with low dram equivalence, and tend to the RST or Polywad brand low pressure loads, to spare old and irreplaceable wood and barrels unnecessary jolts.



If I chose to participate additionally in the 20-bore or the 10-bore events, I would employ my 'Best' and 'Highest Quality' Westley Richards hammerless boxlocks, both rib-extension single-bite locking system guns circa 1882, each having lengths-of-pull approximating 14-3/4 inches. Of the two, the 20-bore is my favorite, with its Skeet nos. 1 and 2 chokes, as it is not too light (having been built on an intended 16-bore frame and set of barrels), yet is fast swinging and particularly deadly, even with its 28-inch barrels. The 10-bore gun, with both barrels choked improved modified, crushes everything in the path of whatever size or amount of shot (usually 1-1/8 ounces) is sensibly launched from its 30-inch Oxford pattern damascus barrels, and as a bonus, being of the 'Highest Quality,' it is a practical work of art.

I would very much like to report that I am a crack-shot and never miss but little, which if claimed would be at least a fable on my part. But there is something to be said about our antique or vintage side-by-side guns, which have been carefully maintained and stored wherever in your house and finally taken afield or after a drive with you to the range or club, when you hear the piece go boom(!), and enjoying that anticipated moment you actually hit the target though you had not thought you would. What I like about joining in the subject events is the opportunity to share with fortunate others that just described sense, when multiplied by separate experiences, which only those having a shared interest can enjoy. The pleasurable exchange of information amongst the attendees and hours spent looking at exemplars of the fine side-by-side brought to the event by their respective owners also would be of great interest.

Unfortunately, for me and perhaps for others living in the near equitorial Southwest U.S., there are no such regional events for side-by-side owners and practicing aficionados to attend, unless I am much mistaken. And I do not care much for traveling with or shipping a valuable gun or guns very far from home these days. Would that this situation will change.


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Beautiful guns, nice story. If you just want to shoot "vintage, edwardian-era" game guns at non-competitve events, the opportunites are few and far between, but are very enjoyable.

If you don't mind putting on your big-boy britches and shooting in NSCA SxS competition, there are plenty of those around. Be sure you don't mind getting beat by the guy with a 32" 21 set up especially for target work.

Remember, it's more fun to hit 'em than miss 'em.
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What is competition? A $5.00 plaque with your name on it? Or a fist full of cash?

I go to shoots all the time. They all have some level of competing for something. I shoot whatever calls to me from the safes that day.
I don't expect to win. I expect to shoot and have fun. And see cool stuff come out from people's closets. Maybe make a friend. Maybe make a deal.

I know I'm at a statistical disadvantage to multi choked guns, and club regulars, but I don't care. I shoot what I like, and have fun doing it.

You should too.


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Well said CZ

You should too.


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