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Now that's something you don't see everyday, very prominent breasts on the Griffons...
I prefer wood to plastic, leather to nylon, waxed cotton to Gore-Tex, and split bamboo to graphite.
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I bet engraving that stainless steel was no picnic. Guess he wanted to make the female Griffon seem to have a Hollywood bust. They almost look like silicone implants but why would a Griffon need implants? Being mythical beast wouldn't they be naturally well endowed? 24 k is the opening bid. Wonder what is the reserve?
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A perfect example of why one should look past engraving when evaluating the quality of any gun.
Everything but the tubes themselves and the wood is a casting (and looks it), the edges of the barrels are rounded over and the polishing overall makes the gun look like a bar of used soap, typical Ruger.
Look at the barrel lump, that isn't a chopper-lump seam. What it is is the parting line from the mold in which the monoblock wax vestment was injection molded.
A fine gun it ain't. A polished turd is still a turd.
Ruger designed and built this gun to cash in on the SxS craze. In their adverts they called it a "fine double" and threw in some strategic allusions to English guns in order to get the attention of a certain market demographic. Any likeness to an actual quality English gun exists only in the mind of the ad copy writers.
24K will buy a couple of used guns that actually are fine quality, or one nice new one. Accurate assessment, Dewey. I would call it a wildly engraved p.o.s. JR
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While they have their followers, I always thought they were just far from well made. After reading all the excitement about them, I was anxious to see one in person. I had just returned from Germany and had looked at many Merkels and nicely made Spanish guns and had a fairly good idea of what a sxs should look at. When I finally held my first Gold Label I was almost shocked by the poor wood to metal fit, the over runs in the checkering and the overall lousy look of the gun itself. To say I was underwhelmed was probably and understatement of the word underwhelmed. I think at the time the gun was about $1,800 at that local shop and my new Merkel had just cost me $1,100 in Germany and was nicely engraved and had great wood and perfect wood to metal fit and checkering.
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I don't like how the gun is heavily engraved in places are flat smooth steel in others.
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I have also shot my GL a great deal with no issues except that it should never have been chambered for 3" magnums. A turd it isn't.
However, I don't think it is a gun that was ever intended to be fancied up like that one--one of those is quite enough.
The contempt for "castings" bothers me. Injection casting has paid its dues many times over. Even in this forum's rarified atmosphere I find it surprising that anyone spurns that technology at this late date. It doesn't make "best guns." But it makes some very good guns accessible to all.
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Though the gun is way overpriced, IMO, I can appreciate the quality of the engraving's execution. I certainly would not commission "double-breasted" griffons on a gun, but it is hard for me to see any flaws in the work itself. The design doesn't please a large part of the market, granted. He was employed by Ruger and given the task of engraving a less than fine quality double. He had no say so in the canvas he used, most likely.
I don't believe even Ruger would have put a plastic insert on this gun, Joe. The blued trigger guard treatment matches the top lever. I think it is just out of our paradigm.
No excuse for that crappy inletting, even on an out-of-the-box Ruger.
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Mike, I don't think the contempt is for investment casting as much for the failure to clean up the casting, to remove the mold marks. With todays CNC equipment you are talking about seconds, not hours of work. Plastic stuff has mold marks, guns should have light machining or a hand file to remove them. The problem with this gun and all the Rugers is that they eliminate all the non essential finishing steps as a cost containment. When you pull the stock off your internal parts just look half finished. Do they work, yes. But do they compare to the internal parts of even a modern Remington 1100, no. And for a "fine" gun that is a low standard to not meet.
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Yeah, Jon, I agree that many Rugers still require some finishing when they are "new." I certainly don't mind doing a little DIY on them, but they are not "fine" guns, by even my lowish standards. Merely excellent using guns.
Guess I just don't like to see negatives on investment cast guns because people less sophisticated than this crowd tend to then equate "cast" with "cast iron" and shy away from an excellent manufacturing practice. I'm touchy about it, like many Ruger nuts.
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Mike, you may be touchy on the subject, but I don't think responding reasonably to vulgar expressions of contempt is a mark of touchiness.
Jay
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