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Check it out: http://www.vintagedoubles.com/inventory.php?sort=2&process=fullview&gunID=373 See the pic of the two screw on the bottom of the action? One is for the triggerguard. So what is that other one for? A bottom plate, perhaps? Since when do sidelocks have bottom plates that need to be held on by screws? I'd bet a lot of money that this gun is a boxlock. OWD
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I don't know what the screw is for, but if it's a boxlock, they went to a whole lot of trouble putting all those fake lockwork pins in the sideplate.. MDC
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The screws are to hold the trigger plate in place. This is the usual way, whether boxlock or sidelock. The trigger guard screws into the trigger plate. Neither screw is for the trigger guard. JL
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that forward-most screw in the pic of the bottom tho isn't going into the trigger plate. the trigger plate ends abt 1/2" behind it.
i don't know that the presence of that screw tho implies it's not a sidelock. but conversely companies do put the pins in sideplated boxlocks sometimes. i had a bernardelli roma 6e that was that way.
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There are many different versions of sidelocks. That one looks like a bar action sidelock to me. Here is one of mine that has a different style, a back action sidelock made by William Baker for the H.E. Akrill company. [IMG] http://i98.photobucket.com     This is about the nicest handling and shooting gun I have ever used.
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OWD, it's true sidelock and I saw the same plate before. Probably bottom plate is for cocking rods or for ejectors-in-action installations.
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what d'you say about this one?  this is Nimrod. lockwork is not attached to side plate, but 2 shifts and 1 screw go through these plates. 
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I don't know, Geno, maybe. I doubt it, but maybe.
BTW: I misspoke. On the link I posted, the screw closest to the triggerguard removes the triggerplate. The other screw removes a bottom plate.
I've never seen a standard-style sidelock with a bottom plate.
I have seen a number of boxlocks with fully engraved and pinned sideplates.
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"When is a sidelock not a sidelock?" ANSWER...when a boxlock has the secondary interceptors mounted to the sideplates like found on Breakers and Francotte shotguns. False sideplates are very misunderstood on this side of the pond.
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I've never liked the term 'false sideplates'. Either a gun has sideplates or it does not.
Used in this context, would not a sidelock gun have 'true sideplates' ? Of course not, it has 'lockplates'.
A 'false sideplate' is a non-entity. We can have sideplates, lockplates, even false lockplates if the intent is make a non-sidelock look like one. But false sideplates?
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