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Now that we've wandered to dominance issues. I went through an incredibly frustrating 6 months early 2015 with eye dominance shifting (but intermittently) to the left, esp. with left to right targets and straight-aways. Finally caught on when I needed a perceived 14 feet lead to break high 4 on the skeet field I took my shooting glasses to the optician, held my head in a shooting position, and had her mark on the outside of the lens the EXACT location of my pupil; then used a black sharpie to draw an about 1/4" circle on the inside of the lens. It is a bit distracting when standing and talking, but I'm totally unaware of the circle when shooting and Gloria a Dios problem completely solved!



Jeff: Some of the best in the world use a fiberoptic bead - each of us needs to find what works best for us

David Kostelecky-Czech Republic, Gold Medal 2008 Beijing Olympics Men's Trap



Francesco D'Aniello, Italy Silver Medal Men's Trap Doubles 2008 Olympics

Brother Drew, I have heard of people doing what you did to your glasses but they added a small stick-on dot.

Lead is different to everyone and I myself would like to know when someone states a 10 foot lead at a target 40 yards away, what is that really from where you stand.

A friend was out in North Dakota last year and this particular day was very windy, birds were taking off at 40-50 yards and letting the wind carry them. On the first bird he lead it by x amount of feet, missed, the second more lead, missed, he said by the third bird he was so far ahead of it his left eye was picking it up in the left corner, he killed the bird.

Standing say in between the two, 45 yards away mounting a stick with a paper plate on it, moving the gun till you just see the edge of the plate with your left eye how far a lead would that be. Some of the mathematicians out there can probably figure that out.

Robert Churchill was a small man, with short arms, and yes, I've read the book and briefly wore the t-shirt



His technique may not work for someone like Gibben Miles and his 10# + Krieghoff, FITASC World Championship 2012 and Nad Al Sheba Shooting Championship in Dubai 2014 winning $140,000



"The Man" is the instructor that can help each of us reach our full potential, and some of us have a lot more potential, and are built a bit differently, than others

That is a stunning juxtaposition. What would Robert Churchill have made of Gebben Miles, if he could have seen him shoot?

With guns (arms) like Gebbens,I could handle a 10# K80....as for now my 9# CG will have to suffice !

Or this lanky fella at the 1905 Missouri State Championship at Elliott's Shooting Park near Kansas City, MO founded in 1887 by Robert and J.A.R. Elliott



Lord Ripon, Frederick Oliver Robinson, 2nd Marquess of Ripon. He died on September 22nd 1923 in the field, having killed 51 grouse on his last drive.



And this big fella



We must see the target to hit the target but we're all different, and there is no one "right" answer to shooting expertise, but innumerable "wrong" ones!

Thanks to all who gave advice. Re my beads, I have five guns and had to look, they all have single bronze beads. I did use a fiber optic on a SXS for a short while.

It is irksome to hit with unfamiliar but sighted shotguns and slugs, yet not as well with familiar ones on clays.

Perhaps knowing where to start with a sighted gun (and having been coached by experts in the past) is a factor, as opposed to clays where it was learned haphazardly with no coaching.

Drew, all you have to do is put a small patch on your off lens so your off eye can't see the end of the gun barrel. For me, it's easier to look ahead of the bird - where the gun is pointing. I'm 70, and damn, I just can't see the rings on a clay bird in the woods going 40 MPH though shadows and sunlight. Can't do it on a skeet field either. I just find it easier to look ahead and see the bird behind.

Now I'm just a hunter mostly, but was always told from when I started "Aim small, miss small". When I started bird hunting (bobs) my uncle and Dad said "now pick out a rooster, look for that white head". While they were conserving brood stock they were also teaching me to focus on 1 bird and even more particularly on the head. That lesson also slowed me down a touch as the tendency for young quick reflexes is to throw up and pull! It was a good lesson. Now if only grouse had striped heads!