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I offered more photos on Nudge's Lefever engraving post. This doesn't answer his question and the thread moved on to other topics. So here are some fresh dogs. I am not personally looking for answers or implying that all dog engraving should be judged as Loy/ Not. Just posting photos for enjoyment/ appreciation.

#1 setter


#2 setter



#3 pointer


#4 pointer


#5 Setter


#6 Setter


#7 Setter


#8 Pointers

To my eye No's 1, 2, 3, and 6 look to be Loy' dogs. No's 4 and 5 not so much.

Not a Ithaca follower or know about Loy, but in a previous post stating Loy was the engraver, then my opinion is Loy #2 and #3. These have the same small snout (muzzle) as the Loy identified one.

You need to show the scroll as well, as they usually had their own type that they used.

Jason, this is a fun exercise. Here are a couple of pairs.

Those are quite nice, Daryl. As is the Ithaca Crass you posted the other day, I would likely pass out mere seconds after entering your gun room. Heck, I'd probably be astounded by your project, reject, and junker pile!

Jason, I seem to have an afternoon free, waiting to go to Canada for some upland hunting tomorrow. Here's an effort by Frank E. Mason, the Baker factory engraver at the time. John Houchins said Mason worked at L. C. Smith in the 1890s and I think came to Baker Gun and Forging Company around 1896. He was the factory engraver for a dozen or more years. Note Mason's initials below the right front foot of the dog to the right. By the way, I really like the scroll where the background is cut away on this gun and on the Loy signed gun Walt shows in the following post.

I too am enjoying these examples of the early American engravers. Just to re-calibrate on Loy dogs and his scroll--these from a signed gun.


And this from a grade 3 that I attribute to him that illustrates the "quotation marks" he used to finish the scroll moving into a plain area.

I don't get the sense that the dogs have a necessarily short snout.
There is also a contemporary Ithaca engraver with Loy--a man by the name of Simeon Rogers. Rogers came from Meriden with Loy and they roomed together. They must have been very close friends as Rogers was Loy's executor of his estate. I have never seen a documented work by Rogers BUT they very well could have similar styles as they both trained under that master Parker engraver Harry Gough.
The dog photos have a lot of image structure and enlarge nicely should you care to do that.

Walt, it's nice that you could give us the fine picture of the Loy signed gun. Can you show his signature ?

Baker

Jason, I just noticed that the dog in your photo 1 is working with the wind in his rear. Odd way to work.