I agree with Hoot--the 35 Rem. kills almost out of all proportion to what you would expect. I have relatives going back three generations who are sold on it, and all agree it usually puts deer down where they stand. Definitely more authoritative than the 30-30 which itself has killed trainloads of deer. It may be going the way of the passenger pigeon, but NOT in the eyes of those who have actually used it!! Steve