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Help please
am helping out with some guns which are a mystery as owner was tragically killed recently, trying to help widow most are easy BUT..BUT
I have an external hammer Ideal no.4 full x full 2 3/4 inch 12 guage shotgun
serial number is 115331
both barrels have a crown underneath and another symbol I am unsure of.. any help with age nd or any other details and a value will help me immensely
I am in Australia .
email is rjmw@bigpond.com
I have got photos but unsure how to post them ..
Thanking you in advance, all the very best for the festive season to all
Rob

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been doing more homework it has british proof marks and being external hammers throws me off Manufrance but it is maked Ideal No 4

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You've come to the right place to ask the question, but I doubt anyone's going to give anything more than the most cursory opinion without detailed pictures. The pictures should be of the barrel flats and watertable, and some overall pictures of the gun, receiver, and serial numbers (if any).

I'm far from an expert on Ideals, but I've never heard of one with external hammers. That doesn't mean they don't exist, just that I've never heard of one. Along the same lines, it's not impossible that an Ideal would have British proof marks, just uncommon.


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Hunter Arms made an Ideal hammer gun as part of their Gladiator line that was sold through Sears....if imported to England would of had to pass their proofs.....which would explain the proof marks..only around 100 of those were made so one with English proofs would be a rare one for sure.......really need pictures to determine what you have....


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gunut may be onto something. But if the gun is French and 2 3/4" (marked 2 3/4" or 70MM?), then it's likely to have a smokeless powder proof. That would mean a crown over two letters, the first of which would be P.

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