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Re: help identifying sxs gun ulua #430388 12/27/15 07:16 AM
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 14 australia ulua OP Boxlock
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Re: help identifying sxs gun ulua #430389 12/27/15 07:17 AM
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 14 australia ulua OP Boxlock
OP ulua Boxlock Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 14 australia	I have sorted some photos hoping this will help THANK YOU for your help thus far Rob

Re: help identifying sxs gun ulua #430391 12/27/15 07:53 AM
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 593 moses Sidelock
moses Sidelock Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 593	The crown with BP under it on the barrels is a Birmingham provisional proof from 1855 onward The crown with BV under it on the action flat is a Birmingham view mark from 1904 to 1954. ??? You still have not shown the marks on the barrel flats & there will be a diamond with a 12 in it & maybe a C as well. There ought to be definitive proof mark of crossed halberds with a crown above & the letters BCP in the cross & maybe a 13/1 mark or something like that. The crossed halberd, crown BCP is a black powder proof. The Damascus barrels & date, along with overall appearance point to a black powder gun unless it has a crown over NP & a crown over BP stamp on the barrel flats. Those chambers ought to be 2 1/2" or at least that is what I would expect unless reproofed & that would show as extra chamber length stamping on the barrel flats if it had been. It was commonly done here in Aust. to lengthen the chambers on old guns as the 2 1/2" shells were not commonly available. If that is the case then the gun will be out of proof, if that matters to you at all. Really need to see those barrel flats before ascertaining any value & the condition of the bores will come into that as well as if the action is tight & on face. Never seen that Ideal mark before. O.M Last edited by moses; 12/27/15 08:05 AM.

Re: help identifying sxs gun ulua #430401 12/27/15 11:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,726 Likes: 129 Georgia, USA Geo. Newbern Sidelock
Geo. Newbern Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,726 Likes: 129 Georgia, USA	ulua, your "Ideal No. 4" looks suspiciously like my "Symonds Keeper Gun". Mine is badged on the sides as E.Reece & Son, ChristChurch, and has the same proofmarks as your gun. Mine came from New Zealand, of course, but is a Birmingham product made for export to the colonies, in my case the Hardware house in Christchurch...Geo Last edited by Geo. Newbern; 12/27/15 01:12 PM. Reason: added pics

Re: help identifying sxs gun ulua #430413 12/27/15 01:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 617 Likes: 1 Fl justin Sidelock
justin Sidelock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 617 Likes: 1 Fl	James Symonds & Co is listed in Brown's books. In business circa 1894,and Symonds &Hopson listed in business circa 1890.

Re: help identifying sxs gun ulua #430414 12/27/15 01:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,726 Likes: 129 Georgia, USA Geo. Newbern Sidelock
Geo. Newbern Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,726 Likes: 129 Georgia, USA	Thanks Justin. I do not know much more than I posted about my gun...Geo

Re: help identifying sxs gun ulua #430430 12/27/15 05:14 PM
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OP ulua Boxlock Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 14 australia	I agree the gun looks very much like your symonds will have another look for more marks and will post a full pic of gun gun is very tight and bores unmarked THANKS this is wonderful help.. Rob

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