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I am heading in the right direction. I am taking the 121 shotgun to the gunsmith next Wednesday to get the mechanical problems out of the way. Then I can shoot it a bunch and decide whether the $500 rib is a good idea. I'm not that impressed with the collector value of a 121, even a Routledge bored one. For $500, Simmons will install the rib and reblue the gun. I will give instructions to be careful with the preparations. A wise move indeed. Perhaps we can see some "before and after" pictures. When did the Routledge bore design come into the .22 rifle picture? I have never seen one, yet!!
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Bill, My caveat on a quarter rib would be width. If wide enough for a Talley scope base (1/2"?) it would look like a bridge abutment on a skinny .22 barrel, IMO.
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Yeah, Steve, you have to pick and choose to get the right look. Since I'm building a smoothbore, I'll be using up my supply of ivory beads and leaving the scope mounting problems to Bill F. and his Model 61.
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Foxy,
Very little pipe welding for my boys...friggen union thing. Heavy plate and lots of it in 250ft diameter tanks. Manuals, automatics and "Goat's" on the floors and decks 7024 (jet rod 1G only), 6010 (5P),7018(LoHy)...We have a little machine called a "Vertimatic" that dumps molten weld deposit in a 3/4" root gap (for vertical shell welds)..weld metal is contained by brass plates on either side of the butt weld. 100% Xray on everything over 1".....a lot of preheat required these days..burr.....Lincoln loves us by the way.
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Ken
Dodging lions and wasting time.....
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SDH is correct on the width of the 1/4 rib being critical for appearance. I don't have a Winchester M61 to look at to see how a 1/2" rib would look but narrower is probably better.
I don't see why something similar in design to a Talley ring couldn't be made up to fit a narrower base (rib) given .22 LR recoil or something like a tip off ring as designed for the approximately .400" dovetail on rimfire receivers could be made up to fit a narrower dovetail cut on a quarter rib.
I don't remember exactly how wide the bases were for the old Leonard Brownell Q D rings but they were reasonably narrow & that style of ring might work well & look nice on a quarter rib.
Just throwing some idea's out as a custom M61 is something I've never thought about before but I like the concept.
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Foxy,
Very little pipe welding for my boys...friggen union thing. Heavy plate and lots of it in 250ft diameter tanks. Manuals, automatics and "Goat's" on the floors and decks 7024 (jet rod 1G only), 6010 (5P),7018(LoHy)...We have a little machine called a "Vertimatic" that dumps molten weld deposit in a 3/4" root gap (for vertical shell welds)..weld metal is contained by brass plates on either side of the butt weld. 100% Xray on everything over 1".....a lot of preheat required these days..burr.....Lincoln loves us by the way.
Best,
Ken Thanks Ken- nice to have a friend here who speaks the same "Lincoln Language" and their trade publication is called "The Stabilizer" Innershield welding in 1G- the old 7024 iron pwoder enhanced flux "drag rod" always seems to lay down a "banana peel off" bead when run on AC--1/4" dia. you are in the 250 AMP range-- so your local electric power grid must love your shop. I am also guessing you, and maybe only you, can understand why I get pissed just a bit at the numbnuts who think TIG welding on certain aprts (barrels) on double shotguns is a FUBAR in the making-
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SDH is correct on the width of the 1/4 rib being critical for appearance. I don't have a Winchester M61 to look at to see how a 1/2" rib would look but narrower is probably better.
I don't see why something similar in design to a Talley ring couldn't be made up to fit a narrower base (rib) given .22 LR recoil or something like a tip off ring as designed for the approximately .400" dovetail on rimfire receivers could be made up to fit a narrower dovetail cut on a quarter rib.
I don't remember exactly how wide the bases were for the old Leonard Brownell Q D rings but they were reasonably narrow & that style of ring might work well & look nice on a quarter rib.
Just throwing some idea's out as a custom M61 is something I've never thought about before but I like the concept.
As do I-- very "Germanic" indeed.
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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For what it is worth there have been quite a few complete firearms sold on ebay in one fashion or another. Ebay depends on other sellers to rat out those peddling complete firearms and/or receivers and quite a few slip through. There was a guy who sold a couple of complete pistols simply by taking them apart and selling them as "parts." On the other hand they took down my listing for a 10-X rifleman's shooting glove one time because someone complained. Go figure.
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Interesting that this thread popped up again. Morris Hallowell recently listed a G&H customized Winchester M61 with 1/4 rib & G&H detachable top mounts on his website www.hallowellco.com.In general I think the 1/4 rib looks OK but I don't like the way the breech end of the 1/4 rib was handled. At the very least it should terminate flush with the back of the rear scope ring. Blending it into the receiver contour more like what was done with the Simmons ribbed 61 might be an option also. Anyway, someone spent $$$ on a custom M61.
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