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James M #433177 01/18/16 10:27 AM
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Cadet

I bet you are mostly right. The exception would likely be shooting rafted up resting birds at night. I have also seen a wire shot mold, looked like about #4 buck molded around wire if it worked it could be serious in the right situation. It would be an interesting patterning (or whatever it would be called) experiment. The history of market shooting in Wisconsin, that I am familiar with involved a pile of pump guns with 4,5 or more shot magazines

Cadet any chance you could share a few minutes with the impact of Australia's gun laws? You read a lot but something from someone there would be interesting.
Thanks Swampman

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Australian gun laws, in short:

Shooters must satisfy authorities that they are fit and proper persons (ie no criminal record, mental health issues etc) eligible to hold a firearms licence for the purposes of hunting, target shooting or primary production, and verifiable documentation of those reasons eg game licence, club membership, proof of ownership or access to hunting land) is needed. Self defence is not a recognised reason to hold a firearm.

Firearms themselves are registered, and each individual acquisition must be approved and transactions recorded with dealers who pass the information on to police, who maintain the registry and licensing functions. Firearms are categorised A, B, C, D, E or H:
A - single, bolt, lever etc rimfire and lever, bolt, double etc shotgun
B - bolt, lever, single, pump etc centrefire rifle
C - Self loading rimfire and self loading or pump shotgun
D - self loading centrefire
E - automatic rifles, rocket launchers etc
H - handguns

In practise A&B are easy enough to get; C is restricted pretty much to primary producers. D is professional shooters only. E is virtually no one - even collectors, if they have them, must have E permanently deactivated; many serious collectors will sidestep this by holding a dealer's licence. H requires club memberships, and H may not be used anywhere other than approved ranges.

Firearms must be locked away in fixed and secure storage, and ammunition locked away separately.

There are some slight anomalies and exemptions in that classification system: genuine muzzle-loading antiques or pre 1900 breech loaders for which commercial ammunition is no longer available are exempt from licensing and registration; however the way the definitions are written makes a spud/orange gun (a capped length of PVC pipe with a touch hole or piezo lighter, down which a flammable spray (hairspray, fly spray etc) and a spud or orange is stuffed) is classed as Cat E.

Access to hunting is relatively cheap and easy: several states still have duck and quail seasons for the cost of a game licence, public land access exists in several states, many landholders are happy to allow free access to hunters for vermin such as rabbits, pigs and foxes, as well as game species.

Any more you'd like to know?

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"you need a second soldier, preferably one like this, who is bulky enough to handle the weight of the gun and dim enough to not recognize the danger he is truly in" cry

Another hilarious video of a (Darne) punt gun in action:

http://youtu.be/gvcHuV4LEFs

James M #433472 01/20/16 09:45 AM
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Cadet,

Thanks very much. With the current political primaries approaching guns are again on the front lines. Dem candidate Hillary Clinton has referenced the Australian gun laws as an example of something that may be worth looking at for the US.
I thought hearing from a gun owner that lives in Australia
would be informative. Thanks very much.

Swampman

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About 20 years ago there was an article in "Shooting Times" about a punt gunner living on the Severn Estuary who built his own punt gun out of stainless steel tubes.
I can't remember if it was 2 or 3 barreled but I do remember that it produced a wide side to side pattern to deal with rafting ducks. Perfectly legal in England at that time. Not sure if that's still the case. It's effect on the bird population would have to be minimal. Not to many nutters want to do it anymore, Spam is cheaper.

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More books on Puntgunning if you like such things. All a bit scarce but worth hunting out if you can find them. Lagopus.....

The Gun Punt Adventure by Colin Willock

Grey Goose by Michael Bratby.

The Complete Wildfowler Ashore and Afloat by Stanley Duncan and Guy Thorne. 1st. Edition.

Wildfowling by C.T. Dalgety.

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