Good comments, Bill! The Beschis may look like ICD's, but at least in some cases, you can tell the difference if you look hard. I remember seeing 3 or 4 of them on a dealer's table at a gun show years ago, not too long after ICD went out of business. I looked down the outside of the barrels on a couple and had to stop because I was getting seasick from all the ripples. Maybe the best thing that can be said about them is that they passed Italian proof so shouldn't blow up when you shoot them.