Yeah I've read the negative press on the 24, but in all reality how bad is it really,the extractors suck and the shape and appearance look different than any other gun out there, aside from that, well? I know it's not a model 21 or 23, it's a get dirty and drag through the field farm gun. Perfect for a youngster. We'll see what he likes as much as I would love to pick it for him, I'll just pick out his options and he can choose.