I have owned three. An early 20ga Trojan which was pleasant except when it doubled - so I sold it. A CHE 12ga which I only shot a few times before selling it because I already had a more useful 12ga and a 20ga VHE 28" barrels which I have no recoil problems with even with 1 ounce loads. The VHE is a late Remington Parker with modern dimensions. Also had a 28ga reproduction which I couldn't shoot well as the stock was too straight so it was sold too.