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Ted, over here in Ireland, a few years ago, a judge made a statement in court. He basically said he did not consider burgulary a crime serious enough to warrant a custodial sentence. Also since the good old EU came into being, human rights (of terrorists or criminals only mind) are paramount. In dublin recently the police unearthed a muslim extremist who was involved with the lunacy in syria. The government wanted him deported, he appealed to the european court and won. They said deporting the man would infringe his human rights !

I see. An old shipmate living in Germany has a neighbor that has a breech loading firearm. A beautiful Thomas Boss side by side. Holy smokes!!!
You talk about frickin perfection. I never shouldered anything like it before or since,

Anyway, he must keep it in a safe and he is inspected by the local police to ensure that the firearm is secured properly. He paid a $150.00 fine the last inspection. Don't know the particulars. Is that the way it is in England?

Pretty much, yes. There is a distinction made between CF firearms and shotguns. One requires a Firearms Certificate for the former and s Shotgun Certificate for the latter.

I only have shotguns. The cert is renewed every five years. This entails the inevitable paperwork and a visit by the police to view the security arrangements. Some county police forces interpret the law differently to others on occasion.

Ted, we are writing of two different cultures and you make your comments from your US perspective, whilst Lagopus makes his from our UK perspective. Nothing wrong with that. But I along with many folk here have learnt that our lives are worth more than a Rolex on our wrist, or the money in our wallets/pocketbooks, or indeed the family silver in our homes. They are all 'things' and, although many will have great sentimental value, they can on the whole be replaced.

I am a veteran infanteer and my inclination is not unnaturally to fight if I or my family are threatened, so it does go against the grain to have to be sensible!

Another way of looking at it is like this. If your house is on fire and you have only minutes to get out, what do you grab? For me it would be the totally irreplaceable family photograph albums and the separate hard drive on my computer! The rest would, I'm afraid, fry!

Tim

Hmm. I'll bet said perp didn't break into the judge's house, did he?

I seem to remember some states here were trying to pass legislation that stated the first thing one was to do if someone broke into their home was to
attempt to flee. That meant, if my wife was taking a bath, and my child was sleeping, and someone broke in, I would be legally obligated to try to get out of the house.

It seems to me this lunacy was cut off at the bud right around the time concealed carry reform was sweeping across the country. Castle doctrine, also sweeping across the land, frames the above equation a bit differently.

I hear Obama has a few victims of human rights abuse that are housed in a prison on Cuba. What say we give them to the EU to be resettled, and you guys can try to make pat-a-cake with them?

You can start by housing them at the judge's place.


Best,
Ted

I just cannot imagine a society which has allowed itself to become so civilized that the basic right of personal defense and defense of one's home and loved ones has become a crime. Further, how can the citizenry of such a society so calmly accept such an unnatural state of affairs?

We may well differ on the degree of force appropriate to a given threat, but to just fall back and allow the violent to bear it away is incomprehensible to an American. We must indeed be a violent society!...Geo

Tim,
You are talking of allowing the perp to have access to your firearms-where is the assurance that said perp won't use them to kill you, beat, rape, and kill your wife, and sell your child into the sex trade?

There is simply no way in hell that I would willingly go along with the notion of trusting a perp to do the right thing, while he is in the middle of doing the wrong thing. I would fight until my final breath to keep anyone from getting control of the situation in my home, period.

If my house is on fire, I would grab the wife, kid, and the dog, in that order. There is a cat, too, but she might be on her own, depending on how involved the fire was.

Everything else is replaceable. But I would no more leave the fate of my loved ones to a perp, then I would leave them to the flames.

Best,
Ted

Not quite exactly true that the guns need to be kept in an approved steel cabinet; just that some Police Forces try to say that it is. What the law says is that the firearm, when not in use, should be stored in such a way that it is not readily accessible to an un-authorised person. Unfortunately, if you have over a certain number of guns the Police will refuse to issue the certificate if they consider the security is not good enough stating that if they can be easily stolen you may be considered a risk. If you do not take 'reasonable steps' to prevent the theft you may be prosecuted yourself. Don't forget that there are plenty of types of guns that a person in the U.K. can own that do not require any form of certificate at all and you can store those as you like. It's all very complicated here and a book could be written on the odd vagaries of U.K. Firearms Law. Odd things like the fact that a youngster (with appropriate certificate) can go out deer stalking on his own with a high power rifle at 14 but cannot go rabbit shooting with a shotgun on his own until 15 and then again can't go out with a low powered air gun (which requires no certificate) to shoot tin cans until 17. What's more he can't buy a toy cap gun until 18 but, if he has the money, can buy a deactivated machine gun or pistol at any age and in fact even a .577 Elephant Rifle (classed as an obsolete calibre firearm) provided he no ammunition for it and yet can't at any age regardless buy a blank firing pistol unless it is brightly painted. Don't try to apply any logic to it; there just isn't any. Lagopus.....

I think very few of us have been forced into that situation, but, I think it's too bad that the culture says that the trust is put in the hands of the criminals. What if their intent was different, or changed for whatever reason from just plain old smash and grab, armed home invasion. That thump on the head might have been disorienting with a good bit of blood show, and he's lucky that's all. Thankfully, he's around to pick up the pieces.

Or their property. Any society unwilling to defend their property will soon enough find someone else has their property.

DDA

Without wishing to insult any of the british people on here (there are parts of ireland just as bad) but civilised isn't a term that could be used to describe a lot of towns and cities , salford, rotherham, bradford fer instance, in the uk.
The pc liberals, Tony Blair in particular, viewed criminals as unfortunates who had no choice but to commit crimes. In fact the sort of people who would probably say George Digweed was to blame for having nice things in his house was more to blame for this incident, "victim blaming", look it up.