Jay, in the sixth post of this nine page thread, David Noreen posted that there is no evidence of a Skeet Grade Model 21 in Winchester literature. I have presented evidence of the truth of Mr. Noreen's statement for nine pages of argumentative posts. I don't care any more. You want it to be your way, right or wrong. So be it. You are wrong, Mr. Noreen and Mr. Murphy are right. Mr. Noreen knows he is right, I know I am right. Noreen and Murphy have a full catalog collection as well as other research material. Why would you and Mr. Cash want incorrect information to be inserted into the bank of collector information. I can't imagine what your intent is.