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OK Storms...my email account is finally working but there was 75 bounce notices that had to be cleared first...Please resend
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I can understand Baker just happening to live in Lisle in 1877...I can understand Baker founding Baker Manufacturing/Ithaca Gun Works/IGC at the Fall Creek water works site 25+ miles from his home. I do have some difficulties with the apparent concept that perhaps Baker had a daily 25+ mile commute to work every day...50+ round trip...in 1883...(maybe there was a light rail between Ithaca and Lisle, but still that's a commute)...So I figured, Baker moved near Ithaca but still owned the ol' homestead in Lisle was more probable.
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Then two other Ithaca designers/employees/journeymen follow suit ...all in Lisle...McFarland was in Upper Lisle, which suggests that either, Baker may have also been into real estate, or somewhere in Lisle there was a factory or shop....I can't make heads or tails of the info... Resent. Thanks Alex
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Some very early Hollenbeck hammer guns exist marked Lisle, NY."
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http://members.aol.com/rdkfive/FrankAHollenbeck.html From Sue Goodfellow: Bruce, Dwight H. (Ed.), Onondaga’s Centennial. Boston History Co., 1896, Family Sketches, Vol. II, p. 479. Frank A. Hollenbeck, Syracuse, son of Howard and Angeline (Wilcox) Hollenbeck, was born in Tully, April 30, 1852. His parents now reside in Homer, NY. Howard Hollenbeck came to Tully from Coxsackie, NY about 1840, with his parents, Samuel and Eunice (Pruyn), and moved with his family to Homer soon after his son’s birth. The latter was educated in the schools of Cortland Co., and in Homer Academy, and first learned the trade of carriage ironing with the Cortland Co. Wagon Company, where he remained about four years. He then had charge of the Fisher Gear Company’s works in Homer, after which he learned every branch of the machinist’s trade in the Homer foundry and machine shop. Three years later he engaged in gun work for W. H. Baker & Co., at Lisle, NY, having charge of the forging department and tool making there are two and one half years. In 1858 he came to Syracuse and took contract work for L. C. Smith, manufacturer of guns, where he remained in all about eight years, after which he took out patents and started the Hollenbeck Lock and Knob Company, capitalized at $35,000, manufacturing hardware specialties, of which he was superintendent and manager and subsequently president. The factory was finally moved to Jordan, where it was burned in 1890. Mr. Hollenbeck had just previously withdrawn from the concern and had gone to Batavia as superintendent of the Baker Gun and Forging Company, where he remained three years. While there he invented and sold patents to them upon which they are now working. Returning to Syracuse in 1892 he invented and patented the Hollenbeck hammerless gun, and in Feb. 1893, organized the Syracuse Arms Company with a capital of $50,000, which was subsequently increased to $75,000. The officers from the start have been as follows: George Timmons, president; F. S. Wicks, treasurer; M. J. Colwell, secretary; and Frank A. Hollenbeck, superintendent. Mr. Hollenbeck has taken out in all about thirty patents, mainly of guns and of machinery for manufacturing them, and also a number on builders’ hardware. Many of them have been very successful, noticeably the Hollenbeck Hygienic Saddle for Bicycles which he commenced the manufacture of in September 1895. In Oct. 1872, he married Angie F., daughter of Henry Session, of Homer, and they have five children: Charles F., Albert H., Earl, Frank A. Jr., and Clara I.
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Gotta love the bicycle connection. Lefever made chains, Ivor Johnson complete bikes (and motorcycles); also European gunmakers engaged, most notably Manufactures Francais. Are there others? The age of Major Taylor and the great international track stars and of course the "safety" bike. A target of opportunity for anyone with machining capability.
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Both Hunter Arms Co. and Remington Arms Co. also made bicycles.
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Hey Reb, could you re-check those dates please, before I let any of that info get seared into my brain..It looks as though you painstakinly typed it, word for word, I appreciate it...
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Rabbit and Researcher..Didn't Harry Pope grow up workig in his dad's bicycle/air rifle factory ? and who is the other NYS drilling maker that was responsable for inventing what we now refer to as "girls bike" with no top bar...
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That 1858 date about halfway down is obviously wrong, unless Frank was working when he was six years old. I believe it was covered and speculated about in Swinney's article on Hollenbeck in The Gun Report. Very likely the correct information is in the multi-volume set of Swinney's notes om New York gunmakers.
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I just highlighted and rightclicked to copy and past the info. I figured the 1858 date was supposed to be 1885. The link at the top of my post is the webpage where the info came from. Ross
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Robert
Hate to change the subject, But do you have anymore info on
Andrew MacFarland? I have a M/L marked " MacFarland Maker New
York" on Rib. Sellars has Andrew MacFarland in New York 1844-1870.
Is this the same man? When I bought the gun the "Story" was
that MacFarland apprenticed with Purdy???-can't find this in
writing. Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Bill McPhail
J W McPhail
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Researcher is correct, as the author of the article "New Notes on Frank Hollenbeck" by H.J. Swinney and published in the Gun Report in September, 1991 did indeed state that some of the dates in the brief Hollenbeck biography referenced above were obviously incorrect. Swinney's article basically pieces the various events of Hollenbeck's life together; and although he was unable to discover some exact event dates (for instance, more than one birthday is listed for Hollenbeck), was able to put together a very accurate overall trail using surviving family records, various period census information, and various city records. If you don't have a copy of Swinney's work, it would be wise to locate that Gun Report issue; as his work respresents the best source of information on Hollenbeck I have seen to date (and it is almost exclusively about the life of Hollenbeck, his gun activities are only noted as they relate to events in his life).
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