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Walt, if you ever have a gun cabinet clearance or garage sale, I want to know about it.  Gil
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Researcher;i don't thin your comment "especially out here in the west" was totally off base. Even though as you stated loading of NPE's was practised all over, from what I have heard & read it was much more prevalent "Out West". One major factor factor here was there were shot towers out west so lead was available. Buying NPE's & loading with local lead supplies saved a tremendous amount on shipping. While I do not have much of a shell collection I do have a few old ones loaded by Selby among them. I don't recall who loaded it now but have a 10ga 2 5/8"shell with a very light load put up in a "High Brass" hull. It was apparently cut down from a longer length & the brass is over 1/3 of the total length.
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As promised photos of the shells. BTW, 60 with Carolina blue skies.   They are slightly mushroomed at the end. The body reads Winchester (trade mark) 3-1 1/8-9, Super Target. I plan on putting them to their intended purpose very soon.
Walter c. Snyder
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Sorry to be so late, but just realized that I have a box of 1950s 16g Federal "Monark Skeet Shells" with the red sweater trap shooter on the front. The top flap is clearly stamped "SECONDS", as are both of the inside flaps and both sides of the box.
I had not considered the possibility that this had been the "second" loading for the hulls?
BUT the shells inside are "Red Head Long Range" with "Maximum 6 Load" on the top card wad. Maybe it's the "second" loading of the box??
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I have seen references to 'SECONDS' in various publications. I am under the impression that they were cartridges that did not quite make the grade somewhere in the inspection process, and were passed along at a savings to the consumer. The average person probably would not detect any real defect or flaw.
GMC(SW) - USN, Retired (1978-2001)
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My Grandfather and Uncles use to talk of buying buckets of "Seconds" at the Federal factory. They said that most of the shells just had some scrape or blemish on the paper tube.
I just picked up two flats of nice new Federal papers from my local supplier this week. RST papers just don't smell as good!!
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My local dealer when I was a young teenager sold Canuck seconds. He would drive up to the plant in NY and get them. $2 a box both paper and plastic. Crimps were messed up, scuffs in paper or a ding in the brass. Good cheap shooting for a young guy. I think I still have some of the boxes around.
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Seconds are one thing, Re-loads another., these will be used as intend very soon at the FORT Bragg Clay Target center.
Walter c. Snyder
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