I think you made a great statement there, Stan. I use 12's for sporting clays almost exclusively shooting Fitasc and main races. Getting punched in sub-gauge has moved many folks to master class......a place most of them don't belong. I'm a grouse and quail hunter and do it a lot. I almost never use a 12 in the uplands usually choosing my sub 6 lb 16 ga Lang. I don't like lugging a heavy 12 around. God, they get heavy fast even if just a bit over 6 1/2 lbs. And Francis, I too am pleased you enjoy good health.

Socialism is almost the worst.